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Let me ask you this. Let’s assume you are a father, or mother, you have children, and have instructed them they must clean their room everyday. You further demand that if they fail to do so they will be punished by having to sleep in the cold basement with no blankets forever. And this punishment will be passed down to their linage, also for eternity. Does this seem fair to all their children? But because you are loving, you throw in a caveat, that if they write you a letter asking you to forgive them every time they fail to clean their room, they will be absolved of their transgression, and can get back into the comfort of their bedroom. This goes on for the rest of their lives of your entire linage. Does thhis make sense?

1. How did Christ use the symbol of a “thief”? Part 1 Christ: Coming as “a Thief”/Second Coming to Israel “Look, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches and keeps his garments on, lest he walk naked and his shame be exposed.” They gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called Armageddon. (Rev. 16:15, 16) Did Christ use the symbol of a “thief” to prophesy of a “signless” event? Is the battle of Armageddon a “signless” event? No, of course not. If Christ didn’t use the symbol of a “thief” to mean “signless,” then what right does anyone in His kingdom have to claim the symbol of a “thief” means “signless”? Zero. Equating “thief” with “signless” is without scriptural justification. Next, Part 2: Why did Christ use the symbol of a “thief”? 1. What is the symbol—the precedent—in the Gospels that gives the visual effect of Christ coming as a “thief” to Israel/Armageddon, and where did Christ reveal how the symbol of a “thief” is relevant to end times, and how does this all translate to the revelation of the mystery for the Church that Christ gave to Paul in 1 Thess. 5? In other words, if we know what Christ has to say about the symbol of a “thief,” then we can understand Christ’s revelation to Paul. 2. What are the 2 incorrect assumptions extracted from 1 Thessalonians 5:1, 2, which yield this faulty conclusion: The Rapture is “signless” because Christ is coming as a “thief”? If don’t know the answers to the above questions, you deserve to know the answers. If you already know the answers, jump in. Peace. revvel

That never sat well with me. Even on the face of it, it seemed like nonsense. So I ignored his "interpretation" completely.

That was an interesting clip. What it doesn't discuss is the different regional accents that might also have come into play. Shakespeare was a Midlands man - probably, dropped "H"s and dropped "U"s, and generally a different accent from what there is in "received pronunciation." Also, as a Midlander, he may well have used words that were dialect words common to the local area but not nationally; or used words in a different way from "national" used. His vocab might also have included more "northern" words not necessarily known in provincial London. Why is that relevant to this thread? Because there is actually no telling how words might have been used in different parts of the Roman or Christian eras. Was the way a word was used and understood in Ephesus or Corinth the same as how that same word might have been understood at the same time period in Jerusalem, Rome, Crete, etc. Similar, maybe, Same, maybe, maybe not. What were the customs of the time, too? So what could that verse, that word, be referring to that might not be so obvious? Americans use some words right now that are different from how the same words are used in British English. And Brits use some words differently from how many Americans might use them. Sometimes they even mean something offensive in the "other" use of the language (what some, perhaps not all, Americans do to tighten a spanner is an offensive word meaning masturbation in British English and thus a big insult to hurl at someone). You cannot possibly read a Bible verse and tie a whole theology to it. That really is "private interpretation." You have to read in context with other verses relating to the same subject. If you're more widely read, see what commentators have to say (and why). If you're even more widely read, you might have studied ancient languages and you're smart enough to see how ancient Syrian, ancient Aramaic etc changed. None of us here have laid claim to that level of education or study.

Alice Hathaway became Teddy's wife when she was 19. Tragically dying after giving birth to their first child two day later. And yes, Theodore was not the president at that time. Since no one else is playing, and you're stumped George, I will just reveal the answer. The youngest wife of a president to become First Lady was also the first to be married in the White House. Frances Cleveland was 21 yrs. old when she married Grover Cleveland in a White House ceremony. If memory serves, John Phillip Souza led the U.S. Marine band and conducted, even wrote a song.… A lot of Presidential firsts with this Presidential couple. First child born in the White House to a sitting president, from Grover's second wife. First non-consecutive terms by a First Lady. (Odd, now that Melania Trump had become First Lady again, I've yet to hear her name ever mentioned). Frances (who liked to be called Frank) was a celebrity in her own right. America couldn't get enough of the young presidential bride. The media couldn't get enough. That's why I made the association of her with Jackie Kennedy. Like Jackie in her day, Frances took America by storm in hers.

As Christian Nationalism feverishly sweeps the country like an epidemic of smallpox (thank God for THAT vaccine!), I wonder if TWI would really get on that bus. Like, really. Though they would enthusiastically echo the homo/transphobia, and would add plenty of four-crucifred, flat-earthiness to many of the movement’s logically fallacious talking points, I suspect they would say the current Christian Nationalist movement is doing it all wrong. And they would say it with that snooty, condescending tone they’ve practiced for so long. I think they would disagree with posting the Ten Commandments in classrooms, because Jews… and the Old Testament and The Law. They would also fight any proposed posting of the Beatitudes, because, again, spoken by a bastard Jew in the Old Testament. (Jew hatred is real with wierwille and his spawn. Not so much with current Christian Nationalists.) I suspect there are other planks in the current theocratic platform with which TWI wouldn’t align. Thoughts?

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Change Partners ----Stephen Stills

Lyin' Eyes?

Actually it's still not working for me... I don't get the activity row automatically, I have to choose it now.

Works now... probably only me thx...

No. I went back to some test results here they are: 11-2015 = 1.9 1-2018 = 2.6 12-2018 = 3.8 4-2019 = 2.9 12-2024 = 3.8 9-2025 = 2.5

I figured why waste it, it's a very familiar song.

Wow! I've never gotten PSA readings that high (IIRC).

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/125154199-the-coming-wave My concern is whether AI can be contained.

STL: I moved this out of doctrinal. Please do not do this again. Doctrinal is specifically set up so believers can discuss their beliefs without this kind of intrusion. A lot of Christians come to this site to explore their faith, and we want them to have a safe space to do so. We (unbelievers) have our space. Give them theirs. Thank you for your attention to this matter. [Hey, I thought we said no politics!]

Nothing changed on mine.

Sorry to bring this question here but didn't know a quicker way. Was there a format change? I no longer have the "activity" option up on top, to see the latest postings in time order. Don't know if everyone has this problem or only me. Please help, thanks.

Yes. I think it's predominantly turning a blind eye to all the past negatives. Another reason that I think is present in all religions and all peoples, is determinedly not taking a look at other religions.

STL the antidote is very simple: go to confession, be very sorry for the sin and you have a clean slate. I think the greatest hardship was experienced by our Lord Jesus Christ, who paid the ultimate price.

A Study in Terror A Midsummer Night's Dream Wetherby Shakespeare in Love Chocolat The Importance of Being Earnest George

I thought this was familiar. You posted it before, but it didn't count because it technically wasn't your turn. I still don't know it. George

My understanding is that Roosevelt had a younger wife, but she died before his presidency, so that one wouldn't count. I have no idea who the youngest First Lady was. George

Right church, wrong pew. George