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Wow now there's a question I was never asked in my 68 years. Should I be concerned?

I did send a message to JS on this website. I finished by asking, "Also, if someone is wanting to know the truth about what was going on with Wierwille, knowing how his doctrine and practices concerning sexual sin were passed on and then followed by many leaders, are you willing to talk openly about it now?"

I just found out that John Schoenheit also no longer teaches once saved/always saved. In his REV bible, he writes a commentary for Ephesians 5:5 saying, "We must be careful to understand the relationship between sin, the ungodly lifestyle, and abandoning Christ to the extent that one forfeits their everlasting life. Everyone sins, and some people sin egregiously, but sin does not cause a person to forfeit their salvation. However, if a person ignores the commands of God and defies Him and lives an ungodly lifestyle, they are in danger of having their heart so hardened by sin that they go so far as to renounce their trust and belief in Christ, and at that point, they forfeit their everlasting life. A person gets born again by trusting Christ (Rom. 10:9), and they maintain their salvation by trusting in Christ (1 Pet. 1:5)." Ephesians 5:5 I find his complete commentary on this verse to be questionable. He also does not believe "the orthodox depiction of a hell ruled by the devil where people suffer eternally" is based on Scripture. I'm about to listen to a video where he "explores what the Bible has to say about the destiny of the unsaved and explains the biblical depiction of 'hell.'" What is the Destiny of the Unsaved? If I get into either of these topics any further, it will be in the Doctrinal sub forum.

I know it's a dormant thread, and we usually have some leeway in policing "on topic" posts after a long time and a long discussion, but... This thread was started in Doctrinal by someone who wanted to discuss doctrine, not by someone who wanted to see his relationship with God mocked by comparing it to the relationship of a pet owner and his good boy. I understand the impulse, but we set up Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible apart from the other subforums specifically to avoid this kind of thing. Please refrain from posting on this thread unless you want to explore issues in the spirit of this forum. Thank you.

"Avoid it at all costs" AI Overview "The idiom "avoid it at all costs" means to make every effort to prevent something from happening, regardless of the difficulty or expense involved. It emphasizes the importance of preventing a particular outcome, action, or situation." How confident can one be that their "every effort" is actually enough? The point of my earlier post was to question how the all-loving God of the Bible could 1) send people to eternal torment and now, 2) cause his people to live in fearful obedience their entire life to avoid said eternal torment not knowing if it was enough to ease his wrath towards them. This is a rhetorical question. A non-rhetorical question is whether a believer, such as yourself, sees living with this fear and uncertainty as a demonstration of being devoutly religious - something which God expects and honors? I'll never forget when a priest (over five decades ago) told my mother she had to stay with her abusive husband as a show of her pious suffering which later would be rewarded in heaven.

How are you avoiding Islam's hell?

And if it's true, someone has done me a great service warning me to avoid it at all costs. It's been said that in the beatific vision, "we'll understand it all by and by". I certainly don't right now.

It was Psycho II. Go ahead

Expectations of Allied POWS in this WWII movie were that Japan should have honored the Geneva Convention. Actually, Japan wasn't a signatory to the treaty until 1953. (Interestingly, misdeeds by the Japanese prompted revision of the treaty in 1949.) The commandant of the prison was portrayed as being ruthless. According to many of his prisoners after the war, the actual Japanese officer on whom the role was based was one of the more humane and reasonable ones. To keep costs down, producer Sam Spiegel decided not to hire any extras, using crew members and Ceylon locals instead. This meant that some of the British prisoners were really natives of the region wearing make-up to appear Caucasian. For the scene when he emerges from "the oven" after several days confined there, Sir Alec Guinness based his faltering walk on that of his son Matthew when he was recovering from polio. Guinness regarded this one tiny scene as some of the finest work he did throughout his entire career. Sir Laurence Olivier was offered Guinness's part but turned it down in order to direct The Prince and the Showgirl (1957) instead. In retrospect, Olivier said that it was a sensible decision to go off and do love scenes with Marilyn Monroe rather than tough it out in the jungles of Ceylon with director Sir David Lean. George

I hated to do this, but I don't think Raf would mind. I googled. Psycho "I guess they're dead. I guess I've known that deep down for a long time." "I'm not giving up. Don't you give up." "I didn't want to be just another orphan. I wanted to believe I was special." "You are special! Never stop believing that!" "You spend your evenings in the shanties." "You had me followed." "Imbibing quarts of bathtub gin." "Bronchitism." "And here you're dancing in your scanties..." "Great gams." "With some old geezer called Little Caeser." "He's an uncle." George

Tom Jones Albert Finney Annie George

"Would you tell me please, Mr. Howard, why should I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away? An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as a king can." George

You're up, Human. George

This was the most expensive television show to produce at the time, costing over a million dollars to make each episode, which was one of the reasons it was canceled after only 13 episodes. The actor playing the titular character based his performance on William Shatner as Captain Kirk in Star Trek (1966) of which he is a big fan. A video game based on this series produced by Bug-Byte Software was released for the Commodore 64 platform in 1985. The titular character was a hologram, but no CGI was used on the show, just traditional animation and editing techniques. The star of the show was far less famous than his father (whom the star portrayed in the movie "The Mambo Kings"). George

Vigilante I.C.U. The Wolf of Wall Street George

We need a |spoon-feed| emoji.

That last post didn't format the way ai wanted. Sorry.

The problem with subjective morality can best be addressed AFTER one realizes objective moral values are not an option. Subjective moral values are subject to conflicting standards. If I use harm-benefit and you use "God's Word," there is no independent arbiter to decide which standard is right or wrong. The best each side can do is appeal to the standard. Now, I picked the hyperbolic examples to demonstrate you cannot presume the "God's Word" standard to be superior (slavery, death penalty, ordering genocide and baby killing). But those are hyperbole. But what about something like abortion? Harm-benefit doesn't give us a clear answer. (Some would argue it does). God's word does. (Some would argue it doesn't). In resolving disputes, subjective morality utterly fails. People simply disagree. And depending on the severity of those disagreements, we see different alliances, friendships, communities, denominations and even nations.

The modern concept of Hell, Purgatory and Paradise originated in Dante's Divine Comedy, in the 14th century. So, there's that.

"An eternity of torture" I think about the reality of this. Since God is all knowing, he would always be aware of their suffering. What would he be thinking? Would he even make his presence known to them? Would he talk to them? What would he say? Day 1 - "This hurts me more than it hurts you." Or the opposite, "It sucks to be you." Day 100 - "It's waaay too late to say you're sorry." Day 1000 - "Stop complaining, a millennia of torture isn't even a drop in the bucket when it comes to all eternity." Day 10000 - "If you can't handle the eternal time, you shouldn't have done the finite crime." Day 100000 - "No, for the hundred thousandth time, I cannot parole you. My righteous justice will not allow it." Any humour set aside, when you seriously consider the logistics of people actually being tortured for eternity, it is completely without reason or logic. It's a man made concept simply designed to put "the fear of God" in people like it has in you.

I apologize for my feeble attempt at humor. See, if you look at it one way, it looks like God and if you look at it *another*way, it looks like Dog. Soooo..it all depends on how you look at it. (I knew I shouldn't have quit my day-job.)

Definitely a dog person…my pooch has never let me down and can always be counted on for her loyalty.

One more.

How's about some Saturday Night Blues?