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"you can rant all you like" Rant ?!?!?! seriously, Waxit ? Rant: speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way. Hmmm…thought I was pretty mild and sedate in my comments. However, I’m going to take a stab at your remark and suggest that you may be projecting undesirable feelings onto someone else: “Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings. Have you ever disliked someone only to become convinced that the person had a vendetta against you? This is a common example of psychological projection. Luckily, there are methods you can use to identify why you are projecting your emotions and put a stop to this coping mechanism.” from Every Day Health . But I’m willing to give you the benefit of a doubt in accusing me of talking in a noisy, excited, or declamatory manner. However the only alternative I can think of right now is that this was an underhanded attempt using emotional fallacy – when someone tries to manipulate a recipient’s emotions in order to win an argument – especially in the absence of factual evidence. Oh, and another small detail - since you're in a huff about me referring to a secular source - I’m not the one who first posted/referred to the Wikipedia article on the Sabbath in Christianity – you did. You focused on one segment of the many twists and turns that the Sabbath in Christianity has experienced throughout the history of Christianity. I focused on the position now dominant in Christianity. Thanks for expressing your finality of conversing with me - so I don't have to expect you to acknowledge anything I say. That's cool. However, since this is an open forum, I will continue to read and respond to anyone’s post as I see fit. I am not afraid of anyone’s temper tantrums, pontifications, nonsensical arguments, the manipulation of scripture or attempts to take over control of an open discussion. I’m not accusing anyone in particular of all that – just saying if the shoe fits - wear it. I have my own faults and will readily admit to them – half the time I’m walking around in clown shoes anyway – soooooo…lighten up! Folks don’t take much of what I say seriously anyway - - can’t say that I blame them – just look at my avatar.

BTW, Nobody questioned whether or not Christians moved a Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Wasting your energy to "prove" that may make you feel like you got somewhere, but you didn't. As to if they celebrated a Sabbath, well, that's equally irrelevant to discuss. I think we all agree that many if not most celebrated a Sabbath. "That is as interesting as it is irrelevant." Now, were they SUPPOSED to celebrate A Sabbath? THAT is the relevant question. They did it. They thought it was right to do so. Did God say it was necessary for them to do so? You're actually derailing your own discussion when you don't focus there, and when you start getting personal with the other posters. Don't think you're fooling anyone into thinking you're addressing any points when you get personal. We've all seen it before, and it didn't work then. (Me, I was labelled "Satan" once when I dared to point out one of vpw's many harmful policies, and that he had no excuse for having it and for supposed ignorance it was harmful. For example.) Please take a few deep breaths, and approach this thread FRESH. If you were trying to make a point, I think it's gotten completely lost. Please find your points and focus there. Thank you.

Waxit, some things.... 1) Stop posting emotionally, and stop taking things personally. The idea is that we DISCUSS. When we discuss, we will, sooner or later, disagree. That's normal, and expected in a discussion forum. What do we do when people disagree with us? We don't declare we're right and they're wrong. We can BELIEVE that's true and hold convictions that's true, but our BELIEF that it's so doesn't change anything. There are plenty of people who BELIEVE in things like a flat earth, and that vpw was some super-believer, but their CONVICTION doesn't make it so (and they may be fanatical about that.) We can declare what we believe, just not that it's "obviously the truth" because it's not "obvious" if there's disagreement. We can try to present our "case" so that others will agree with us. We can also pay attention, because we may discover that someone else was right all along, and we may find that the truth was something else, even something we didn't WANT to believe. (I'm speaking from personal experience- I've had others come to agree with me, I've changed to match what I believe was actually the truth even if it reverses my position.) 2) Declaring something's true by fiat STILL doesn't work. In a DISCUSSION forum, we DISCUSS. We can present our case that something is true. Perhaps someone else will add something that makes it a stronger case. More often, they'll point out flaws. Those can be flaws of communication (you MEANT something but SAID something else), of fact (you explained the Greek word used here, but you named the wrong Greek word) , or other problems. These can be addressed, and result in either a stronger case, or the discovery that you can't answer the important questions and may be wrong. 3) Don't type angry. Rather than type angry, get up from the computer, and do something else. Come back in a few hours (or a day), when you can approach things calmly. Whenever I find someone's accusing a CALM poster of being angry, it's usually been because THEY were posting angry and didn't have anything logical to say to refute the other guy's point. So, accuse them of something and pretend you addressed some imaginary flaw in their "argument".

Waxit...take a big breather brutha ! I know you were like this when you were passionate back in the 'way days' so just as you were flogging a dead horse then, maybe consider you're flogging a differn't but STILL dead horse lol...there are many Christians who enjoy freedom IN Christ and will not be brought 'under the power' of any...FULLSTOP. That is our prerogative and I'm sure we continue to evaluate our lives and beliefs on a week by week if not daily basis. Perhaps that's one of the reasons for assembling together, to observe and evaluate ? However, which DAY that happens to be is down to ones own belief according to their interpretation of the Word of God. Should they meet 4 times a week does that make them a 'multiple sabbath keeper' ? Free to love, free to give, free to serve !!

Thanks for updating me Waysider on Wuhan and how corona virus migh have spread. Point taken about focussing on biblical topic at hand

Oh yeah..."WOW-Burgers good...flies bad" (said like Kevin from "The Office") ...At the Rock, my son and I armed with flyswatters would growl our war-cry “all flies must die” ...usually the nights were cooler - I'd go get 2 cups of coffee and 2 slices of pie for me and Tonto. yum !!!!