Leaderboard

The huckster knows academic degrees boost credibility. Hucksters only need to be beleeeved for their tricks to work on dupes. The hilarious, twisted irony is victor loved to hate academia... all the while insisting on being called by his academic title.

I guess I just don't understand why he would even need this degree, seeing as how God gave him access to all the secrets of the universe anyhow.

To reiterate the conclusions of objective, independent investigations: Pikes Peak "seminary" was a real... place... with a real... street address to which a "student" might mail a check. It's a residential house. Pikes Peak had a photograph of a group of "graduates" or something. This photo hung on the wall. victor purchased a doctorate of theology (ThD) in homiletics -- preaching. victor did NOT attend classes. His engagement was mail order correspondence. victor claims he wrote his dissertation on Peter. A dissertation is a book written by the doctoral candidate. It is the culmination of exhaustive research to produce a wholly original work. A dissertation will not fit on a 3x5 card. No one has read victor's alleged dissertation. victor's motive for acquiring (a more accurate word than earning) his doctorate was to erect a veneer of credibility. Ironically, victor would go on to repeatedly disparage real scholars, researchers and academia in general, all the while insisting on his own flimsy, academic title.

I have usually enjoyed my time. If I make whether or not I do dependent on a troll he’s already won. I’ve stopped caring before also. I’ve introduced humor to make it more fun. But the basic argument is the same decades after decade. I do believe that makes a difference in the quality of what the site is about - presenting the OTHER side of the story. The whitewashed version is available anywhere rumors fly and publications are removed from site.

I've stated I was introduced to GSC by my wife and others posters here at the time. Before that, I had bad experiences with the internet. The internet affects all, whether engaged or not.

First off, I have been an terrible example of what I am about to post, sometime knowing what to do and doing are two...yeah..well...The way to deal with most any internet troll is to ignore the shenanigans and stay on topic in spite of them. If they have on topic contributions that are more than something as crazy as weve seen posted lately then respond. If its just the same ole obvious button pushing then either ignore it or say your peace and keep it moving back on topic. Im not saying dont ever respond either, thats an individual choice. I dont think banning Mike is the way to go, if for no other reason than I would rather deal with his voice of dissent than stifle it simply because thats what TWI would do, and Im not directing anything at you Chockful cause Im sympathetic to how yo feel. Banning someone who doesnt follow forum rules is a common practice. Personally, and my opinion means squat in the scheme of things, but personally - I like that mike comes in with his point of view and we can respond logically, with facts and resources that prove whatever the positions are and he can be as crazy as he wants...except the crazier he gets the more it shows the end results of wierwilles doctrines. Like I say, someone like Mike who posts all the uncomfortable history that the way international wants to silence is actually working against all things pfal and the way international, so let him have at it. Im sure from Rafs, or any other mods point of view, if we are engaging in the same shenanigans that mike brings to the table then we are just as culpable as mike in dragging the forums all over the place. Not only that I wouldnt want a mod silencing anything I had to say here on GSC and we would be forcing them to choose sides where they likely should remain objective and uninvolved with doctrinal content unless said content is egregiously harmful. My 2 cents.

I guess my reply to Mike in general would be if the idea of melting down actual statues of VPW that actually exist in actual lobbies of buildings and actually on leaders desks you need to attack so hard with multiple pages of content non stop in every topic thread and make up some kind of new BS term called “anti idol” with hate attached, maybe I’m really on to something. I mean it certainly is blinding to the heart of the stealing and lying commandments.

Doesn't matter if you're right or if you're wrong. If you're correct, however, wouldn't it be cause for you owing the owner of the website much more than a one-time $50 donation... to cover the cost of the traffic?

No I don’t think confronting illogic, presenting facts to support truth, and correcting illogic with logic and scriptures is harming Mike. I think Mikes idol is harming Mike. I think it is also harming those who mentally hang around TWI with the same illogic. I think Mikes idol is harming the leaders in TWI. I think Mikes idol like the golden calf that Moses dealt with is preventing the larger part of the grads of PFAL from hearing God. I leave him alone when his mouth isn’t moving to spread idolatry. Otherwise I usually try to respond with truth and logic and mostly have drifted away from humor, but sometimes indulge. I find the dilemma in Proverbs about addressing a fool regarding his folly to be a real one. Yes I also find it tedious and would join you in a vote to ban the troll as more than 10 years of tolerance without any indicator of any change to me is enough evidence to see it is not going to change.

My dear Mike. I suspect there are subconscious reasons why you've posted the same s*** so doggone many times over the last two decades. My view is if you had any writing skill lending itself to credible persuasion, you'd have made your point LONG ago. In like manner, I suspect those with whom you now so vociferously bicker (I hesitate to call what you do or what those who take your bait do as argumentation) also have some reasons hidden from consciousness. MOST of what both sides post is nigh on undecipherable. If they have any desire to persuade you, they are as delusional as you are. Do ANY of you have ANY self-awareness or ability to reflect on what you're doing, i.e. accomplishing nothing except for possibly feeding those subconscious concerns you harbor and act out? I don't have access to any GSC traffic data to analyze and draw inferences on your influence. But I can't help but figure it all has the ring of tin. Obviously, I have to look inward also and wonder if I have made any positive impact or influence on any GSC reader's life. Nevertheless, this is why at this moment, I look for gems that might help people. Bickering ain't gonna get that job done. Oh, and WHO effin' cares at this point how worthy the vicster may have been to have been considered/called a doctor? He called himself Dr. Wierwille. The vast majority of those who bought his classes, if they are still upright and above ground, have forsaken the entire concept. How many of them, after having "left the household," suffered imminent calamities? How many went on to live meaningful lives? Those seem to me to be far more salient questions than the subject of this thread. Selah. Peace.

The "ministry" victor paul wierwille built. They aren't REALLY arguments. They are the conclusions of objective investigations. They go to the heart of victor paul wierwille's integrity. If he was misleading about these two facts, what else was he misleading about? Turns out he was misleading about oodles and oodles. l've posted all I know and care on the topic. Let those who want to know find out for themselves.

Im studying this one as well. It traces back to Westcott-Hort, John Nelson Darby, Cyrus Ingram Scofield and onward from there. Occultic ideas were slowly infused into Christianity and Wierwille rode that tide and so did I and thankfully I am out and fully forgiven.

I have been objectively investigating the movement of religious hucksters for a few years. Religious hucksters have been around for millennia, but a movement emerged out of the evangelical/fundamentalist/Pentecostal tide that was rising in early 20th century America. By mid 20th century, this movement was reaching a crescendo. Every Tom, Dick and Uncle Harry's brother was eager to catch a wave on this storm surge. Unaccredited huckster diploma mills started popping up all over the country to meet a new demand for religious credentials. Most of these "seminaries" offered only correspondent courses. The "course work" was, well, Mickey Mouse. The most important criterion for "earning" a degree was a check that cleared the bank. These huckster degree mills folded as quickly as they ascended. Most do not exist today. It was a cash grab. For everyone. Pikes Peak was one of these short lived huckster diploma mills. Don't take my word for it. Find out for yourself.

Sorry they don’t award doctorate degrees based on the perceived feelings about the positive effects of a persons life. Just to repeat one more time even after OS linked my thread from over a decade ago I have been to that location and as I said there’s the Zillow link. Also fact checking Research Geek - he got the masters degree college wrong. The “experimental” coursework was none except what I already described as correspondence work. It wasn’t something different that was unique and not accepted. It was exactly that - written papers and grading them by the Drs in that house. No classes. VPW only went there once - not weekly or even monthly to attend classes. There was no internet. He wrote a few papers including a thesis and gave a verbal presentation on it like his wife who was there recorded in her book. It seems that hate idol is keeping you from reading the facts I’m presenting.

Crikey, I go out for the day and come back to find five pages of increasing hilarity. It's been a laugh a post from p.38 onwards. Can't even begin to answer any of what's written for the tears of laughter rolling down my face.

Shark Tank PFAL Today episode Daymond: Your new class is based on the late 60s edition, which was taught by a fake doctor who said God told him to plagiarize a bunch of copyrighted material and that it would be just as good as what they had in the first century. I speak for all of the sharks here when I say for those dumb-a$$ reasons we’re out.