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I challenge ANYONE to provide some scriptural justification for excellor sessions. Edit: (I'm getting ready for the sound of crickets chirping.)

Says the guy who is stuck in fantasy land with a 1970s version of pflap and thinking a corrupt organization will be less corrupt with new talking heads at the lectern

Maybe there’s a PFAL parody in there somewhere…like the gameshow Jeopardy – contestants are given the answers and must provide a response in the form of a question... PFAL Jeopardy - if there’s a danger of loss, harm, or failure you must be playing PFAL Jeopardy…game is already in progress... Contestant # 1 Johnny Pump-u-up: Alex, I’ll take ‘law of believing’ for $400 PFAL Jeopardy coordinator Alex: Needs and Wants are parallel. Contestant # 1 Johnny Pump-u-up: uhm…errr…what is collateral damage? Buzzer sounds PFAL Jeopardy coordinator Alex: No, but you’re getting warmer. Toot toot sound - Contestant # 2 Maggie Mugs-a-lot just tooted in PFAL Jeopardy coordinator Alex: Maggie, go ahead. Contestant # 2 Maggie Mugs-a-lot: What is the greatest sin a person can commit? Buzzer sounds PFAL Jeopardy coordinator Alex: Sorry Maggie, that was already handled in the declining PFAL category. Toot toot sound - Contestant # 3 Snow-job Pete just tooted in PFAL Jeopardy coordinator Alex: Go ahead, Snow-job. Contestant # 3 Snow-job Pete: Do you know what killed that little boy? Ding ding ding ding (4 ding-a-fied) PFAL Jeopardy coordinator Alex: Alright – we have a winner... Snow-job just won a $400 voucher which is good for up to four new students to take PFAL Today, today only. Class starts in 20 minutes and hold all your questions until the end of the class. I lost on PFAL Jeopardy

In all honesty, if the "great principle" causes such blindness in understanding the things of God; if it causes such stubbornness in recognising evil; if it causes one to think that Jesus Christ will return with the orange book in his hand - well, all I can say is I really don't want it, I don't want any of that. What works for me is praise and thanksgiving, acknowledging God in all my ways, and respecting (and to the best of my ability obeying) the things expected of me by God. Then I have peace, and, somehow, gentle knowledge manifests itself and I "just know" the right thing to do or say or understand. Seems a lot simpler than tying oneself in knots understanding some "great principle" that nobody can agree on - and that God didn't think important enough to spell out in minute (or any) detail in his Owners Manual.

Mike said: The main strategy in conducting an Excellors' Session was FEAR MANAGEMENT. Me: There was so much fear because the focus was on people to perform, especially when called on to "manifest" in a "believer's meeting." Instead of practicing/pretending to SIT and interpret to overcome their fear, maybe they should have been shown from day one in the Word how to have a closer relationship with Christ. Mike said: People taking the Intermediate Class, especially for the first time, would have all sorts of fears and concerns about the genuineness of their SIT, and even greater fears about getting T.I.P. genuine. Me: Genuine - as opposed to fake. Your description of an excellors' session is a 5-senses (mechanical) approach to spiritual matters which are energized by the holy spirit - NOT an excellors' leader. Mike said: Excellors' Sessions were supposed to be soothing love sessions where perfect love casts out all fear. They were supposed to be relaxing and fun, as well as horizon expanding. People needed to be able to make mistakes with T.I.P., and then see that all is easily forgiven, and then try again. Me: twi was responsible for the fear in the first place because of their doctrine - the way that fear eased (if at all) was because twi was heaping them with enough praise during these "love fests" that people felt more comfortable performing. Also Mike said: "then see that all is easily forgiven?!" - Ooops - I thought forgiveness was needed after someone sinned. Knowing that I could sin while "manifesting" sure would put the fear of God in me!!! This was a quick reply as my grandson has arrived .

I think it's important to note that speaking in tongues, in and of itself, is harmless. If, on the other hand, you have unrealistic expectations of the results it will produce and base your behavior on those expectations, that's another matter entirely.

That thought you had that you left the coffee pot on . . . That's revelation . . . God is talking If you can spontaneously fluently speak languages you've never heard of . . . Of course God is speaking to you. So not only fill your head with SIT continuously . . . But listen to revelation coming at the same time How does one not split their insides in two?

The key WAS "the little box where vpw wanted us imprisoned." As any sociologist or social psychologist (or cultural anthropologist) could tell you, repetition of social rituals is used as reinforcement to keep people in a group. The ritualized behavior- like excellors sessions- is substituted for actual thinking, which keeps one in the bondage of a group like twi. As for the alphabet exercise, that's the most blatant part for reinforcing a deception- it's obvious that it's used to reinforce a VOLUNTARY BEHAVIOR (otherwise we could not reproduce around a LETTER) rather than energize something supernatural. Most of us have moved on from the little boxes of twi- and the little boxes of people who chose their little boxes and want us in them as well. No, thank you.

There's another work party tomorrow (Saturday) with a view to cleaning the inside of this tatty old building. The idea is to do "warm space" in here, and bring it back into community use. (However the actual church building next door is fully heated, so why move to this horrible temporary building for Warm Space?) Anyway, it will be good to get the community back into going to the building for something. And the work party will be good. Hopefully some members of the wider community will come and help, not just church members. Working together will build links, too.

Who cares? Mike's playing games again. Mike, don't you get it? Most of us here have moved on - moved way on - in our thinking from the little box in which VPW wanted to imprison us. Do YOU remember what the one single key idea that should have run through all the Way ministry's teachings ought to have been? Unlike you - I will give you a clue. It is to do with the fact that GOD LOVES US unconditionally and would really like it if we would love HIM back. Love him. And not some man, or some idol, or some book or some thing.

Yeah..when we call bullshonta on various and sundry ludicrous practices initiated by wierwille it's because the bs has eluded us...

I must have dozed off. Can you briefly repeat it?

Excellent video, Rocky! I wish I could upvote it 7 x 70 or 427 or 5 times! Damn. Mmmmph. HOWEVER, this is kryptonite for cult leaders like victor Paul wierwille and cult sycophants like Mike.