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Good lord, is that Craig? His vaunted golden hair has slipped down to his chin, and gone grey? Still got the scowl, though.

Yes I reviewed that and 100 percent Mike is being an absolute meathead tool there basically denying that VP rode in on the wave of the Jesus movement then replaced two of the greatest catalyst members with his own Corpse (one was M0ynihan of the RnR group now). At the same time he directly slanders me with ad hominem attacks. This is factual knowledge not even opinion that elicits that BS response. Mike I have been way more than patient with you in the face of lies, direct false accusations of my character and leadership and as hominem attacks mostly because you can’t handle your idol and his idol bookshelf coming under any question at all. This is the perfect example of how a TWI mindset leads to the follower attacking other Christians. It’s not even a peaceful coexistence it is an all out attack. Mike acts a different way when talking to “silent lurkers” who he dreams agree with his wild and crazy assertions. The funny thing is we just had one of those long time lurkers post here - Beguiled. I kinda don’t think he agrees with Mikes antics in spite of Mikes delusional dreams about the God-breathed Plaffy class and associated notes typed second hand by the secretary. Mike maybe it’s time to give up all this evil behavior and admit that the source of it is your golden calf idol image of PFAL and VPW.

A) On lots of threads, lots of ex-twi have talked about how much better their lives have been since twi, and sometimes about how God's given them results since twi. Mike has missed all of that- probably for the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman. B) I don't need specifics of Mike's testimony, since he's already given me the biggest detail. In spite of a recent attempt to spin-doctor it, Mike started a thread with the goal of answering the question "Why don't we see miracles and lots of prayers answered anymore?" If it was a thread where the opening post was "actually, we see EVEN MORE", then that would be different. So, no, he's got squat. C) Mike's been trying to claim that Session 1 of pfal- and the books adapting it- didn't have vpw bring up material abundance and promise material abundance... despite the fact that they do, very obviously and blatantly. Someone's looking to LOWER THE BAR OF EXPECTATIONS. So, what's the complete picture? Lots of people have happiness, some prosperity, and answers to prayers- and Mike insists they don't. Mike's got little of those- and insists on getting cagey in discussing them. Where others have freely given testimony, he's said we have to earn his testimony- which, again, means he's got squat, otherwise he's be waving it around as proof his doctrine isn't all platitudes, smoke and mirrors. Mike's trying to say his alleged "pfal" doctrine isn't supposed to guarantee MATERIAL ABUNDANCE (in spite of insinuating exactly that all over Session 1)- because Mike doesn't have it and can't guarantee it despite himself. What's next- the holy Amway?

Actual pic of grease spotters going over the edge of the ocean of doubt.... Personally, I prefer surfing the ocean of doubt...the following pic is me and Chockful last vacation to the ocean of doubt... Everytime I goto the ocean of doubt Im always looking for the last resort... Fun place to vacation...next year Im thinking of going to Ostrich Beach....was there many moons ago when I was in the way international...the following is an actual picture of me and my fellowship searching truth out of the pflap and the collaterals.