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Great post BTW. The section you stated that I quoted sums up quite a few things for me. To loosely quote Wordwolf "Im glad I got involved when I did and Im glad I got out when I did". My life was bettered by the programs I participated and my time in the way international from where I was when I first got involved at 23. (It was never bettered by their cultish practices and philosophies to be clear, those things caused damage) I did have a series of undeniable miracles God performed in my life and I was given a calling and a purpose. As a youngster I only saw that purpose in context of TWI. Now I understand that the way international wasn't necessary in and of itself, but it did serve as a vehicle where I learned much and did much for God and helping others. I think this mostly summarizes my field experiences...then I went to HQ on my apprectice year in 1999. I spent the next 9 years being exposed to all the flim flammery that had been happening around TWI HQ in Ohio, Gunnison, the wife swapping at Indiana Campus and such...and I was flat out devestated. Then the more I was involved with things at these locations the more obvious it becamse to me that there was major evil afoot that was accepted and perpetuated by the Board of directors and thier inner group. I was telling myself during this time that I could change it from the inside if I was to stick around long enough...well those plans were interrepted when the directors set their sights on me and all heck broke loose for a couple years as we battled it out culminating with my permanent departure. My sin? Having a child born with kidney disease and being demoted for it and disagreeing with their decision. Thats illegal BTW, but who cares about such things in context of the directors. In the grand scheme of life I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that way international doctrines are corrupt, their classes are corrupt, on down the line and a little leaven leaveneth the entire lump. However, God's providence and plans were never thwarted. Scripture never returns void and I did greatly benefit from my time in TWI and during my way corps training I was able to devote a lot of time towards study and such and that benefits me to this day. My conclusion in the matter is people's mistajes, even though grevious at times, are not able to hinder God's purposes in the lives of the elect and his purposes will be fulfilled in us all. So I praise and thank God and praise and thank my Lord Jesus Christ for revealing themselves in me and others. TWI gets no credit though, and neither does wierwille and I say this because they demanded all the credit when they are servants the same as me, yet the act like they are the head of the body and it's quite distasteful. So...ramble...ramble...on and on...hehe...Ill st

Wow....that goes to show that LCM knew the correct answer scripturally and wierwille led him astray right on the spot, thus LCM's retort "You understand what I asked?" Ive always though wierwille corrupted LCM and this is a little piece of that puzzle...thanks NateJr. Follow this link and hit ctl and F at the same time so it searches the webpage. Search the word secret https://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/6.htm that thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly. and then there is: or there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad. I would say that the words of wierwille do not agree with the Words of Christ.

To frame the violation of the marriage relationship issue as such is to consign the women in question to being considered chattel.

Mmmmph

Ok, did a little homework. There was no professor of linguistics named Dubofsky at CCNY. School's archives have no record of him.

Yes, it's out of context, but I want it noted that I finally agree with Mike on something. The funny thing to me is, the REASON you keep having to fight off this pattern of thinking is really simple: The evidence leads to this conclusion. And if you're really following the evidence, you will keep ending up on the same road.