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  1. I do want to address this Mike. You constantly come at me like I have forgotten, or have been talked out of the truth of wierwille, or that I just don't understand where you are coming from. Personally, I have never had a better relationship with God and Jesus Christ - just like it says in the Bible. I spend my time reading scripture and tracking topics through Church history and other avenues. I don't waste my time reading wierwille -- been there done that. I have very dillegently, and judiciously considered and reconsidered most everything I learned from TWI over the past 14 years since I left. Most of wierwille's doctrines are not supported in actual scripture. I don't mean pretending you are a biblical researcher because you know how to use lexicons and concordances where you get to cherrypick your own brand of Christianity...like saying cloak = book case. Anywho - Let me say this again and say it clearly - wierwille was a false prophet who abused the flock he was entrusted with. - wierwille was a thief and liar and also a drunk who liked to take advantage of the Lord's heritage - his people! - his legacy is riddled with lies and occultic based principles such as the law of believing. It is plainly noted that he studied people like Albert Cliffe - a known spiritist. - wierwille wanted people to only read his books because if you branch off too far you will find the sources he stole from and you will also find out the truth on a lot of topics he preached...that truth? He preached a lot of LIES. - The way international is a preservation society dedicated to elevating wierwille up there next to Jesus Christ, the true preeminent one, because they have NOTHING else. No new charismatic cult leaders, no new anything, only the half baked legacy of their drunk a$$ father in the word. Before you talk about me dragging up his sins and compare that locust to King David, et. al. let me say this. I AM a RECOVERING ALCOHOLIC who will openly talk about my past and my sins and they are sordid and many. You know why? Because I have repented and been forgiven and perhaps my story can serve to help others who are caught in the same snares. Wierwille HID his sins and I will do all I can to expose them and the corrupt organization he left behind. It's not out of hate for anything...it's out of a sense of duty to come out from among them and be ye seperate. I will not be associated with anything TWI because the organization is corrupt to the core and a lot of that corruption stems from doctrine, doctrine that is above question and considered proven ministry research by the way international. I will not slink off quietly in the night and not expose what I came here to expose. I will not give a tacit agreement with their practices by supporting them with silence.
    5 points
  2. Axe #1 - my Jackson Frankenstein. Re wired it all with high output pickups.
    3 points
  3. It's not a matter of looking for them to find them. It's a matter of the flaws literally leaping off the page for anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear.
    3 points
  4. At best you won't decode him. You'll offer an opinion on what you think he's saying. Remember all those term papers and dissertations on what the white whale in Moby Dick means? And, in all probability, he probably writes that way because he's trying to give himself wiggle room if somebody challenges him. People also often write word salad style so people will read into the text what they want to read into the text. Writers with nothing to hide, hide nothing. They write clearly and to the point. Oh, and also, experience teaches me, writers trying to snow you try to add in extraneous details that have nothing to do with the point, this makes there work far longer than it should be. As a general rule: the more padding, the longer the post; the longer the post and the further off point, the greater the snow job. There are exceptions.
    3 points
  5. Thought this was worth discussion. Not quite sure in which forum to place it. Seems to link well with some recent threads here. From my Facebook feed today.
    3 points
  6. This whole topic to me seems to be brought up as the last sentence says as an excuse not to hold someone morally responsible for their actions. In other words for the purpose of whitewashing. Whitewashing the history of the Way. Whitewashing VPs image and class. Convince me I’m wrong.
    3 points
  7. Worth the price of a stamp to write “No” on the back and send to PO Box 328? But I mean their symbolism is on point. Country BFE road. Ditch. Fog covering the path. I mean what could go wrong lol
    3 points
  8. This right here. If you're unable to define and regulate your control factors and variables, your research is worthless. The best you could hope for would be an observational analysis of your collected data. But, even then..."How do you know if there is “spirit” there or not?" edit. Oh, silly me. I forgot all about the black heart/white heart thing.
    3 points
  9. Again, the reality is posters on this thread are TOYING with you, almost certainly because (as has been documented in various comments) nobody is taking your "thesis" seriously... and because it is obvious to everyone (perhaps excluding you) that you're both full of bullshonta and freely posting without honoring either your fellow posters or the (legitimate) owner(s) of the website who make it available for you to publish your "book" without contributing financially.
    3 points
  10. I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
    3 points
  11. Ezekiel 33: 3-5 (KJV) If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; 4Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. 5He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul. =============================== All the warnings in the world are in vain for the person whose practice and doctrine punish them for CONSIDERING/THINKING, and reward them for blind loyalty and never examining whether or not they've taken a wrong turn somewhere. STUBBORNNESS is not a fruit of the spirit, no matter who seems to think it's something praiseworthy.
    3 points
  12. 92. Ethical dilemmas…..
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  13. How I feel, too. If anything, I feel sorrow that they care(d) so little. Whether still the same, I don't care to find out. And I feel anger at the abuse so many suffered in so many ways. But my focus is not backwards but forwards. People are still being abused in similar ways, and in other ways, and I prefer to draw on my own experiences of abuse to relate better to others I reach out to help. I can empathise so much better. Some might call that making lemonade from the lemons.
    2 points
  14. I beg to differ. I think the correct biblical perspective is as follows: Genesis 1:26 humankind is made in the image and likeness of God and was given dominion over animals Ecclesiastes 3:19 is probably best understood in the caveat of the theme of the entire book: IF this is all there is - there is nothing beyond this life - then man has no preeminence over animals
    2 points
  15. This isn't about who was and who wasn't in the Corps, it's about how VPW laced his doctrinal stew with ingredients culled from the occult. That story about a mother's fear being responsible for her little boy's death? Straight out of the occult. The red drapes and camera analogy? Occult. "What you're confessing is what you're possessing."? Yep... occult. This isn't complicated. It's about as straightforward as you can get. And where will you find evidence of this stuff? Well, what do you know, right there in the collaterals. Oh, but wait a minute, I thought the collaterals were divinely inspired. Gimme a break.
    2 points
  16. Well, at least that lady got the red drapes she wanted. So, there's that.
    2 points
  17. The "greatest secret in the world today" is how did Mike learn to so efficaciously push the buttons of GSC netizens to keep wasting time on vain babblings (useless/fruitless interaction) on a topic that even trained philosophers and/or scientists will likely never resolve... let alone a handful of disgruntled PFLAP grads.
    2 points
  18. Penworks, Just came to say how much I appreciate your openness in sharing your story. I read your book this past summer and it was very eye opening. I grew up in the way (born in 85) and left when I was 20. My parents and brothers are still heavily involved, one being in the corps both in OH and in CO. For those who have escaped and still have family members, the truth can be hard to navigate. I often feel I may be too dramatic or overthinking what my childhood was and who I was surrounded by. Reading your book and connecting with others is so validating. Thank you for being honest and sharing your story so others can work through the healing process.
    2 points
  19. Happy upcoming Thanksgiving, Greasespotters. I'm very thankful for the many insights I've gained at this site where so many of you have read my memoir: Undertow. This November I celebrate Undertow's 6th birthday. Time sure flies... A little background: When I was 16 years old, my mother passed away on the day before Thanksgiving. That trauma, I believe, made me (in part) vulnerable to Way recruiters' claims of teaching "the rightly divided word" two years later at East Carolina University. Flash forward: in 2016, my goal was to publish Undertow in honor of my mother just as Thanksgiving rolled around. With the support of many good folks, like some of you reading this post, I met that goal. Thanks again for your kind support and interest in Undertow! While supplies last: You can get a personalized, discounted copy of my second book, From the Porch to the Page: A Guidebook for the Writing Life. Send me a message here. Cheers, Penworks
    2 points
  20. “No man can REALLY say that Jesus is Lord, but by holy spirit.” That's pfal, not Bible. When you add "really", you add a word, and no longer have...? Also, saying "by holy spirit" means "by speaking in tongues". you're changing what the Bible said. When you change the words, you no longer have..... So, if that has nothing to do with s.i.t. (which it doesn't, that was vpw's unsupported claim,) then what does it mean that "No man can say that Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Spirit"? It's still taking about making Jesus your Lord/setting forth that Jesus is your Lord. What does it mean that he's your lord? It means he's your sovereign, and you have sworn fealty to him. He commands, you obey. (Yes, as your sovereign, he has responsibilities, also, so this goes both ways in a formal relationship.) So, how does 'by the Holy Spirit" figure in? In the more obvious manner. Matthew 13. "3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; 4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: 5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. 7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: 8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. 9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear." ======================= John 12: 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. -------------------------------- Once you look at it without trying to shoehorn vpw's error-ridden doctrines into the verses where they do not appear, they make a lot more sense.
    2 points
  21. You said it before I said it. There are some good things in PFAL, but that's because they were pinched from someone who'd put thought in, and who may himself have been inspired by God. Also some good things in the RHST part - for the same reason. The trouble is trying to sort out the truth from the fanciful, reconciling the conflicting messages and versions of whatever "the class" says, etc. Not being able to sort out truth from - from what isn't - is confusing and distracting. It's a poisoned apple (from a poisoned tree). Not all of the apple is poisoned, but you don't know which bits are and which bits are safe to eat. Best thing to do is discard the lot. Heck, for all I know, the confusing bits were deliberate - to confuse, to distract, from the other garbage that we were supposed to take in subliminally. If you're still trying to reconcile "all without exception" with "all with (or without) distinction," you're missing some other perhaps more serious junk.
    2 points
  22. My thoughts are that by reading VPs definition of righteousness serial killers and psychopaths would fit the bill. They have zero moral conscience of wrongdoing and could stand in the presence of God unaffected by any sense of guilt. Similarly, justification. Just as if you had never sinned. Who needs constant reminders that they are ok despite their living patterns? Those who sin A LOT. And are worried about it. No I think the “sonship rights” are little more than a man whose moral conscience bothered him and who was trying to manipulate scripture to feel a little better about himself. ”I wish I were the man I know to be” ”He was a mean man”
    2 points
  23. @OldSkool : I was terrified, too. Embarrassing how afraid of people I had become. Oh really ... what kind of "Christian" organisation leaves people full of fear? Took years to "escape" from myself (!). Glad to say, I have a much more sound mind now. It's taken real Christian love; thoughtfulness and care from non-Christians; GSC (!!!), and much reapplication of thinking ability. Not for nothing does 1 Thes 5:21 exhort: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." God clearly expects us to consider all the evidence, test (or "challenge") everything against what God says. Get that? Test against what God says, not test against what some denomination says. Or even what some other type of culture says. And test against "common sense," too. Lotsa that in the Bible.
    2 points
  24. OldSkool, what a very honest post. I would never have thought you'd've been fearful. Bravo for facing reality and moving on. I do think that a large part of the value of GSC nowadays is trying to beat out ideas, beliefs, with those who really understand where we're coming from, without risk of sounding weird. Exploring our own ideas and beliefs with others who have been through the same processes, sometimes with different results, can be very enlightening. Quite often, not just in the "belief" side, I find I don't quite know what I'm thinking or planning till I discuss with a friend, who might say, "But how will that work? What about...?" and then I can clarify to myself what I really mean, flesh out the details. Well, y'know. Iron sharpens iron. It's good to try our thinking processes against those of others, to help us get rid of the burrs, and to take our plans and ideas from nebulous theory to something firm enough to walk out on.
    2 points
  25. To look at doesn't mean you have to change you beliefs. But you do have to look with an honest, questioning mind, to see the flaws in your own belief system. You can still acknowledge the flaws but decide to stick with your beliefs, as being more helpful than others. Not one of us is belief-free.
    2 points
  26. I haven't gotten one yet and feel left out. After all, I wrote an entire book about The Way and me.
    2 points
  27. The older I get, the less I seem to know. And yet, surprisingly, the wiser I get. We can get far too hung up on always being right. Relax a little. Take the pressure of "always being right" off. Permit yourself to be wrong, or to not know. Explore, and allow yourself to be interested, maybe intrigued, maybe surprised, by what you find.
    2 points
  28. Write: The Teacher Box 328 New Knoxswill, Ohio 45871
    2 points
  29. Knowledge should be humbling: the more you know, the more you should realize you don't know.
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  30. Yeah, 26 pages and having it pointed out to you pointedly. "On Facebook, in the discussion groups, I have had everyone take my chapters (or earlier portions of them) very seriously, and I can tell they read the text I offer. I've been seriously discussing my material there for approximately 5 years now, maybe more." If you are getting feedback there, why in the world do you feel a need to impose yourself on GSC?
    2 points
  31. Months ago, Twinky noted the possibility that Mike was "on the spectrum." Others poo poo'd the notion. Mike's posting without being able to recognize that people are toying with him on this thread takes us back to Twinky's proposition. That he can't recognize the realities of social interaction he's in the middle of... AND fancies himself an intellectual in neurology matters, suggests he may indeed have some ASD even if not severe. Obviously, I'm not qualified to diagnose. I'm simply noting my observations of his behavior in our little ecosystem here.
    2 points
  32. However, like the story WW relayed about the chef, just before my comment, whether Mike knows what he's doing or not is not relevant. That he refuses to OWN his responsibility for communicating his message clearly IS relevant. IMO, it's well past time to send Mike home. It's a poor communicator that communicates vaguely and then blames the audience for not seeing his points.
    2 points
  33. I was watching this television program last night. There's a contest among chefs, and the winner will get backing and advice so they can open their own restaurant. The contest is to determine who is most ready for the opportunity- who COULD run a restaurant if given a chance. Each contestant thinks they're ready to do it, and has their own concept of the restaurant they want to open. In the very first challenge, they were each given the task of making a single plate of food that embodied their concept for the restaurant. They were told that one person would be sent home afterwards, the one who performed least well in the challenge. (So, the task was to be making a single plate of food that embodied their concept for their restaurant, and also tasted good, which was obvious to all the contestants.) Everyone ran around and each prepared a dish. A panel of 3 people was presented each dish one at a time. One person on the panel knew the concepts. The other 2 tried the food, gave their thoughts on the quality of the dish, and also speculated on the specific concept of the restaurant, which was compared to the stated concept. Three chefs ended up performing less well than the others, and the one who performed least was sent home immediately. He said his concept was "Southern food and ramen." The dish he presented was not Southern food, nor did it contain ramen. Both guesses to the concept were from judges who could detect no pattern. "The concept is 'a mess.' " When the chef was sent home, he told the cameramen that the concept was there, but for some reason the judges couldn't see it. (Um, neither could we, and we were watching from home.) He refused to accept that the responsibility for clear communication was his, and decided that if there was a miscommunication, it HAD TO be on the recipients because he was SURE he had communicated clearly. However, he had not- and we have the video recordings to prove it. It's a poor communicator that communicates vaguely and then blames the audience for not seeing his points.
    2 points
  34. As long as we're extrapolating things out of scripture: those Ministry women who believed Saint Vic was a MOG, did they get bread or a stone? An egg or a scorpion?
    2 points
  35. https://www.amazon.com/Why-Receive-Holy-Spirit-How-ebook/dp/B00IQFBMTE/ https://www.amazon.com/gift-Holy-Spirit-Jack-Stiles/dp/0800704789/
    2 points
  36. I feel faith in most of it's uses in scripture is simply talking about trusting God and taking him at his word in spite of the fact that what we see seems contrary to his promises. So - faith = trust. It's the least that God requires of us...that we trust/believe him at his word. Its a concept that has been redefined multiple times through the years and wierwille ran with that ball with the law of believing stuff he promoted.
    2 points
  37. The reason I don't think of it the way you bullshonta suggest is because what you "give it" is a counter purpose to the intended purpose of this site. You ARE a con artist. Your suggestion above lends credibility to the characterization and corroborates your intent to take it over. Not only have you done so, but you appear to have done so with full intent. Btw, remember the first rule of holes? When you're in one, stop digging.
    2 points
  38. 91. Because all the SIT at the same time as the dividing off from Christs body makes you always needing more cowbell. SNL interpretation according to usage
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  39. A couple of months ago, I was at the car dealership having my car serviced. I had my grandson, Cletus with me. (He's the ornery one.) As we waited, I glanced at some of the fancy new models in the showroom. One particular model caught my eye, so I took a closer look. (Cletus liked it, too.) A salesman approached me and said he would really like to make me a deal on a trade. I asked him if he could tell me a few reasons I should buy a car from his dealership. He said, "I told you all that 10 years ago, when you bought this one". Cletus whispered to me, "Golly, Grampa Waysider, I'm not so sure that feller really knows."
    2 points
  40. So you don’t think we are aware you are trolling? As a former failed stand up comic you are hyper focused on how you play to an audience. You we’re sheltered from any personal effects of these amoral a holes so you have no skin in the game. And you choose to live with blinders only focusing on a small portion of the truth and or facts that make your comfortable. And you have no original thought. You survive off the second hand vomit from 2 decades ago emitted by a narcissistic joke of a preacher who stole everything in sight and chased everything available with a skirt.
    2 points
  41. If you really want to make your "research" marketable to neuroscientists, you'll need to start by getting it peer reviewed and published in a reputable journal.
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  42. your lack of knowledge has never stopped you from posting before
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  43. As you have been with pretty much everything you've posted on GSC over the last two decades.
    2 points
  44. Lol from the #1 sh1tp0ster who never started a thread here but pollutes everyone else’s. Hey irony boy
    2 points
  45. Wow one more long diatribe where Mike himself is the focus and gets the glory. All while false humility saying God gets credit. In all of this we hear story after story of how 3rd party people fictionally verify Mikes superior intellect. We hear not one post of substance sharing anything he taught the group or shared with the group as he claimed. Then he ignores people and gaslights any attempts to dig for real information. I was gonna complain about contaminating a thread with bullshonta but I changed my mind. 35. Mike you yourself are a perfect example of why PFAL sucks. After 20 years of having your head buried in it, looks at this guy. High narcissism high mental density factor all with the view he is smarter than everyone else. No ability to interact in a community or understand group dynamics. Zero emotional intelligence. Flawed logic up and down. Oh but with a view like he has the Ironman suit gift and others don’t. Don’t take PFAL. Don’t be like Mike.
    2 points
  46. Isn’t it weird how narcissistic people always eventually place themselves as God judging others or the Savior saving people? In their own mind they make perfect sense but when you read it out loud it just sounds like nonsense. we all stand on our own 2 feet before our personal lord and savior. we don’t need narcissists, geniuses, science clubs, mental patients or organizations to insert themselves in between because they view themselves to be special.
    2 points
  47. Your narcissistQ seems to be very high, I’m sure though that doesn’t affect IQ I have seen previously smart men rendered quite stupid when continuing discourse with fools. That’s probably happening here according to proverbs. Rocky is correct we bear responsibility for feeding the trolls. what you have need of is attention
    2 points
  48. A) Most scholars are actively looking for the truth. That's why researchers research and experimenters experiment- they're looking for some form of the truth. B) This black/white thinking you laud is incredibly harmful, and is obvious in moments like this. If one has "found the truth on an issue", one must maintain the POSSIBILITY that one is wrong, and that a greater truth is out there. Otherwise, when greater truth arrives, one will actively SUPPRESS it and be HOSTILE to it. I've changed my mind when greater information overrode what I previously believed- and wanted to believe. When they discovered the atom, they believed it was insplittable, and named it so- "atom", uncuttable. Then someone figured out how to split the atom. Were they taken out and beaten to death with a rock? No- tentatively, scientists looked to see if he was right. When he demonstrated he was correct, they changed their thinking. Scientists used to be Lamarckians. They used to think that DNA or whatever was simple, and easy to change. They believed the agent of change was activity. When a proto-giraffe stretched its neck to reach leaves, its offspring would have a slightly longer neck. When a bird needed a sharper beak or a harder beak, his offspring would inherit it. And so on. (Charles Darwin was a Lamarckian.) Since then, they've discarded Lamarckianism because DNA is FAR more complicated, and does not work like that. So, for the rest of us, it's possible to change our minds- even if it will take a lot. This keeps us from missing something greater, more fundamental. You're proud nothing can change your mind. I wouldn't brag about that.
    2 points
  49. Yet, Mike apparently hopes that seekers who come to GSC for inspiration on why they should return to twi and pflap will diligently sort through the noise and find his remarkable "wisdom" (albeit, his deficient ability to clearly communicate) because God will guide them. Mike flunked.
    2 points
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