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Al a, Thought I'd start a new thread on co-dependency and TWI. Thank you for the inspiration. Boy does this stuff drum up for me, my state of being prior to TWI and solitified it while with TWI. Thanks girl :D-->

Ala, Great insight. Things that make you go HHUMMMMMMMMM!

Raf, I have looked for that book for years. Thanks for finding them.

Vickles, It takes a conscientious effort of my mind not to rescue folks. I like helping people and in doing so at times, at a high cost. So I'v learned to set limits.Tor me I abide by certain rules. If I don't have money to lend or give...Don't If I don't have the time to spend...Don't If I do anything out of guilt...Don't It is very hard for me to stay out of Gods buisness. We were taught that we are Gods hands and feet. I believe that in part but not to the extent TWI taught it. We were also taught to live and give without any since of self-preservation. That is unhealth and not Godly at all. So with me I have to watch myself...being the softhearted one, taking on other peoples problems because that is what I'v been trained to do. We were trained to rescue and resolve peoples problems with PFAL. IMO Hope this helps.

The best research book that I have enjoyed for decades is "A Critical Lexicon and Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament" by E.W Bullinger. You can no longer get this book for it is out of print. TWI use to sell it and I grabed one. If you can find one,it is a keeper. It makes word studies a snap.

A la, I like Carl Jung. Great Quote! Lighthouse, Thankyou for leaving TWI. Sorry this was said about your family. Your always welcome at GS.

The big picture is always hard to come by when you have limited knowledge. That is what GS is for. To hear others views, right or wrong, good ,bad or indifferent! After 5 months of posting here I am starting to feel normal again.

makes me want to puke!

My ? is: Why has TWI ignored other research material done by very knowledgable men and women? Why have they not embraced the academic community, the scholars, and all who could shed a bit of light on any given subject? "Why is the Dead Sea so Dead? Because it only has an inlet and no outlet". No truer words could be said as to what TWI has done to itself. A closed system that is so self absorbed, no outside challange or accountability and has no outlet for which to grow. Just a matter of time and it will be like the DEAD SEA.

wwooowwww dudes, That some potent mind altering trash. I'm glad I left in '89'. Talk about "cult"... that is a good definition of it.

Sorry about posting the whole post of OM. Don't know how to clip and paste just yet. Om acknowledges and recognizes that V.P had a dark side. With that acknowledgment I am more apt to consider his opinion. Before he sounded like a delusional Nut who was waiting for "THE RETURN"...of V.P.(figuratively)

/ If you're referring to PFAL, I believe God worked in him to adapt it from the various teachings he learned from other men of God scattered across the continent, coupled with what he himself learned from his own study. Was it God Breathed? no. Did he get it by revelation? no. Doesn't make it any less godly, though. Just summarizing:His godly side: He was a Christian with a tremendous ability to teach God's Word and convey upon the listeners, respect for the written word. His dark side: he engaged in sexual harassment and adultery, plagiarism, drinking/smoking; at various times with a mean and condescending demeanor.

Ladies, I support you and you are right on the money. Speaking from your experiance says alot. Please remember, Om's word or opinion is not written in gold nor on Tablets. This is one mans perspective and does NOT hold the opinion of the rest of the Body of Christ. I believe your brothers here are supportive AND protective. " A MAN CONVIENCED AGAINST HIS WILL, IS OF THE SAME OPINION STILL". He may never change his opinion, that is his right. But ladies don't let that stop you from being validated in your own truth. I think when a male critisizes us it touches a nerve. It brings back to us the "critical Parenting" we grew up with and you run the cycle of shame all over again. Recognize that he is just a man, not your father, not Jesus Christ,not the MOG, not anything more. I think he is a little Autocratic(ME MAN,you women) he is vertually harmless. If this helps...When he post... Think of him standing 4ft.11 and having a tiny winkie. If that mind picture doesn't do it for you...try to amagin him bald, rotting teeth and a huge beer belly. BURP, Get the picture? This might help with possible "trauma maleness" OM, Hope I didn't offend you ...just wanted to help my sisters get past the Male mistique. :D-->

You stinker! ;)-->

Ex, Powerful...simply powerful. THANK YOU! :D--> Garth , Well said! Good stuff and logic!

To funny.

You all are making me hungry...stop that.

Tom, I'll have you know my stuff don't stink. Soooo there!

There is a Public Trust that is given exclusivly to those who serve the public, professionals in positions of caretaking our Society. Those professional are Phisicans..Politicans..School Teachers..Therapist..Clergy..Nurses..Nursing home staff..Pschyitrist..Residential staff..Lawyers..Law Enforcement..Social Workers... the list goes on. When that trust has been violated or abused for personal gain, then public trust can not be. There is a moral obligation that these professionals are subject to regardless of the come ons from there clients. It is a Social Trust and expectation. These professionals are held to a higher standard. WHY? WHY? WHY? 1. Because of the position and power they are granted by or Society. In that... to do no harm. 2. Because of the vulnerablity of the individuals that seek there sevices. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Now in the case of Clergy, the expectations are the same although the Legal consquences are not. IF a Therapist abused his/her powers with a client, there is a legal recourse. For Clergy there is not. Only a inhouse discipline except in the case of rape. When the repitition of sexual misconduct occures, with no legal recourse,you have sexual anarchy. Although the terrany is not violent in nature, it does hold captive the minds of the vulnerable in many seductve ways. READ: "The Betrayal Bond" Breaking Free of Exploitive Relationships. by Patrick Carnes. Since whe're not focusing on the Psychological views, but Biblical... The Bible really has no relevance here. We know what the bible say abot Adultry. We also know what Accountability God holds to MOG. What we are not doing is looking into the mental processes of both victim and perpatrator. I know of one individual who more than likly seduced the MOG. The other came back shame faced and wanting to crawl out of her skin. WHY? WHY? WHY? What was going on the Pschy of these individual to over ride better judgement? Both men and women a like. I posted my mental processing in another post. The Black and White interpretaion of the Bible does nothing to help the individuals involved. The MOG or these women. What does help is supportive dose of understanding and therapy to change the behaviors and perseption of self. well... That is my opinion... for what it is worth.

I ate the whole thing. I made those honey p-nut butter bars and ate the whole thing. Talk about binge eating.....oooooppps. I went to the store and bought more ingredence. Boy was that a big mistake. I'm taking a few days off to simmmer the taste and get good and hungry for those bars. I hope there is a support group arund the conor...I'm going to need one. yum!

I hope there is no next president. That it all comes to naught soon.

There are so many aspects of this topic to consider, I think you could spend weeks in debate and still get no where. Each opinion is a religion unto itself. I'm in favor of taking a break from this and contributing to a post that up lifting and brings a breath of fresh air to my soul.Anyone else fell that way?

My favorite is Braut and garlic mashed potatoes. You slow cook braut in a slow cooker with saurarkrat, a bottle of beer and 3 TBLS of brown suger. Have a sweet and spicy mustard available at meal time to top it. Just add galic powder to the mashed taters. Then of course a good German larger to go with it. MMMMMMMMMMgoooood!

Daryl, Well said brother, well said! ;)-->

In many of my post I have made referance to a book "For your own good" by Alice Miller. I finally finished the book and feel relieved and at the same time angry. The book points to a clear understanding of how child rearing "Poisonious Pedagogy",has shaped our culture and world as we know it. Seeds of hatred in the Middle East,historical accounts of displaced anger and transfered crulity i.e Germany 1939-1945. All this and more is a result of this subconscious teaching that has put ourselves and our world in a spin. There are few if any that have not suffered from this "pedagorgy". Everyone has been influenced by it, from V.P to you and me. If you really wan't some resolve as to what we have experianced at TWI and understand the sadistic behavior there, you must read this book. My anger stims from the understanding of how this teaching practiced and instilled in me, set me up for TWI. When I say instilled in me, it means I have the potential to do to others what has been done to me. And without a healthy recognition and expression of that anger,it will recycle itself in some form of abuse. Either on myself or on others. So sadistic behavior has to have its roots in abuse. This does not get the perpatrator off the hook but gives a reason for why and how. Take a look at the book . It's worth it.