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Oldies, I think it depends on the depth of pain inflicted. I don't see hate here. I think most people talk of the vicster and cronies as they see them, or as they experienced them. I think he was a flim-flam artist, and built his organization not much unlike how Capone built his.. But.. What if they required castration, to be proper and free to do the "will of gawwd"? Maybe that is the closest male version to what they did to some women.. so you go ahead, do the "procedure".. it's just a couple of cells ya know.. an "appendage".. Jesus said, "if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out.." maybe we could apply that to the "modern" times.. if your.. offends you.. well, it's a small thing compared with loss of vision. So let's just yank it out, it can't breath on it's own for pity's sake.. and then you find out you've been flim flammed.. fooled.. deceived.. by a madman.. how would YOU feel? You might say, "well, that's entirely different.." Is it? See.. what these women were robbed of, was MOTHERHOOD. What if someone robbed you of your FATHERHOOD, using the name of God to do so?

In cf&s I didn't take it as the vicmeister being a porn pusher, exactly.. I kinda thought it odd.. but here, we had a middle aged or older man, standing in da gap.. rescuing the sexually oppressed youth from the bondage engendered by their parents, and showing them exactly "how it's supposed to be done".. I thought it was pretty lame at the time. It was hardly "exciting" watching people go at it with the royal vicmeister giving a blow by blow account like some kind of sports announcer..

It took me to reach my parents age to more fully realize what I had lost..

I used the word selfish in the purist of terms.. I have to allow myself a couple of moments, or times every once in a while..

Sometimes a person needs to allow themself a few minutes of selfishness before moving on..

I wonder if we ought to pass around the plate here.. a set of Neuticles might help young moneyhand's self image, after the "gal" is done with him.. http://www.neuticles.com/

I heard that about TMI also, Mr. Moose. What I wonder is.. you NEVER heard about events where "deliverance" did not come. I wonder how many "believers" lost homes and had property damage and related loss from storms, hurricanes.. pretty convenient to ignore. It's kinda like the front parking spot. "Gawwd blessed Joe believer by moving heaven and earth to give him the front spot at the local WalMart.." That's nice. What about the ninety-nine other times he had to park in the far end of the lot? Was he just some dead meat in the sight of gawwd or something? No wonder we made some bad choices.. the data was pretty skewed.

Nothing like having two sets of standards, eh? "Well, the Mogster was speaking a CONDITIONAL prophecy.." pretty convenient.

I wonder how much of the father's influence and prompting is involved here..

I can understand the comparison to Capone. His life revolved about sex, drugs and building an organization, but with the soup kitchens, he got his self esteem pumped by giving doughnuts and soup to starving people, who didn't have any qualms about saying "thank you *mr* Capone.. you're a "saint".."

I dunno.. if he was a "prophet", is it just possible.. he was a prophet of Baal? Baal worship involved sex worship of one form or another if I remember correctly.. to the Baal worshipper, "everything is clean", or was, to them. A person can put a christian label on it.. but yuck is still yuck by whatever name it resides under. What I find amazing, is people are still taken in by this kind of stuff. Take uncleanness to the nth degree, throw some holy water on it, or a few bible verses.. and the guy comes up smelling like roses.. Even more amazing.. people, who I don't really doubt their sincerity, compare such a person to David, or Solomon, or Paul, or one of the prophets. I did once.

Those aren't earmuffs. They are supposed to be pink(?) ears with pink earings.. What can you expect out of Microsoft Paintbrush? Yeah. Who needs ropes and climbing stuff when you have.. well, what Rhino called them..

hmm. I couldn't find the high heels.. this is as close as I could get. Note the proud look.. I did use this one as an avatar on another board once..

Well, if you look at number 9, potentially, all. I know.. I know.. I'm a baaaad squirrel today..

hmm. Forty four views.. SOMEBODY has to be "impressed".. at least I am

Plus.. I don't know who in their right mind would want the job. The person would tend to inherit quite a few of the consequences from problems the organization caused.. "who shall go to bat for us.." "here am I, kick me.." takes a "special" breed..

I think the word "charlatan" may be more fitting. "False prophet" would indicate that he had SOMETHING spiritual to begin with.. He wasn't exactly a visionary.. he was an opportunist. He had been "around the block" a few times before the days of the "beautiful people" he enticed into his fold..

I would vote that they were probably more concerned with the power of politics. The what if's.. what if we rally the troups, and herr mogmeister dies anyway.. but it could be that they were in denial. "Naw.. he's the mogster.. he can believe his way out of this.." In reality, he couldn't believe his way out of a wet paper bag..

You know.. I could probably make a pretty good living selling New and Improved MAL packs.. hmmmm.. Have to have a warning label on it: "Do not open until the end of the world".. Don't want any lawsuits or legal consequences..

I wonder if a similar version of this MAL pack is how some of us got here..

1. Ten pounds of chocolate.. 2. Cigarettes (if you smoke) 3. Something ELSE to smoke (if you smoke THAT) 4. A couple of kegs of beer, a case of Cabernet, peppermint schnaps, vodka, rum, whiskey, tonic water, and REAL coka cola (for the purists) 5. Ten bags of potato chips, name brand 6. Pepto Bismol 7. A couple boxes of Alka Seltzer 8. Condoms, can't be too careful forget that, what's the big deal with a disease at the end of the world..

Justa bringing it to-a da toppa..

I dunno.. I think it is easier to define what a prophet is not: 1. Not an overbearing, loyalty demanding, sex crazed, legalistic, demented psychopath.. 2. Not a habitual liar.. 3. Doesn't carry a get out of jail free card in his wallet, i.e., "conditional revelation and prophecy MAY be subject to change.." what he (or she) IS: A SERVANT. Perhaps in the new testament sense, a dedicated visionary. Not one who uses their power as an opportunist. If you want to go further, start a different thread, perhaps I'll join you there.

I'd need a few weeks.. :) I know.. come to my "class".. what definition do you want? Old Testament, New Testament? New Age? I tend to lead toward what some call New Age.