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Hmm. The milk, the milk.. I think the expiration date on twi milk might be about twenty years or so off the mark.. I really WISH they'd give a refund.. They are still selling the same milk, claim it is fresh as today's Wall Street Journal.. You're right socks, about all that is left is give the store a piece of our mind..

That was NOT part of the agreement, "signed on the dotted line.."

What about "drugged" Oldies? hmm. seems to me, drugged and thrown in the back of the mogmobile wasn't exactly done in accordance with the ladies' freedom of will. Free will was far more than abrogated, or usurped.. Oh. "It didn't happen to ME." "Nobody took advantage of ME". "I had some good times.." This is why I am really starting to hate religion..

A buddhist could say the same thing.. or an islamist about Muhammed.. or a Hare Krishna.. and they are as convinced of the utter reality of their belief, as you are of yours. They feel your belief is as illogical as you feel theirs is.. kinda interesting, huh? I suggest that you have NO freedom of will. At least in this matter. It is not in your capacity to even entertain the thought that you may be wrong.

Well, the only way I can think of that the vicmeister could lure women into the motorcoach: 1. con them 2. hit them over the head with a lead pipe (drugs, coercion, etc.) Honest to God, it wasn't because of his "good looks".. If you want to argue the "subtle" differences between the two, and claim that it was all their freedom of will, go ahead..

I think that is what scares some people. More freedom than a lot of them can handle.. plus more freedom than some would afford others..

rosie: "who are those who shall go?" "we shall go with our flocks and herds, cats and poodles.." "not a paw shall be left behind.."

8. Can't go to college, no loans ya know.. 9. "witnessing" is the only fun activity you know about in "church" 10. Only learn about Greasespot Cafe while you're door to door "witnessing"

Sad to see you go friend. Hey, if I can help with any math stuff, don't hesitate to email..

Well, I think he is about as down as he's gonna get. One thing he DID'T get that others who left under a cloud of suspicion: Pulblic lynching, public defamation. I think they gave some lame excuse like "he's gone off to work out his problems" or something like that, if I heard correctly. Why? I think "they" were secretly enraged, because they finally figured out that they were SCAMMED. Yeah, I know they were calculating in a lot of stuff, but I think they drank a lot of their own kool aid. Scammed, except for perhaps the fox. I think she knew, and just sat back and waited for his demise. How else could he get them to accept a financial debacle like putting all of the corps on full time salary? Did he learn how to use a computer? I think he HAD to. Even just for employability reasons. Perhaps against his will.. But I wonder what he thinks about the internet now. Still sees devils jumping off of keyboards and computer screens? Maybe his "doc" has that kind of thing under control.. Well, "mr" linder. How do you feel? Scammed like the rest of us.. or did you KNOW and WILLINGLY FOLLOW a madman?

Once there was a glass eyed weeper, In crap he could not dig deeper. He opened a clinic for nut cases init, but "patients" were made the docs keepers.

He did hit a few people over the head with a lead pipe..

Does he have a computer? Probably does.. uses it to prop the door open in hot weather..

And the vp apologists try to argue that there really is a difference between the two, "well, you didn't get beat over the head with a lead pipe, he just conned you. It was your decision, your fault, you lose". "get over it". And like those who went to see P.T. Barnums "egress", they think it is funny to watch it happen to somebody else, or minimize it, as some kind of rite of passage. Funny.. remarkable similarity here.. a lot of people paid to get in, and found themselves on the street..

I think that's the whole point. Either way, the deception has the same effect. One way, we were robbed, the other, we were conned.

Looks like Charlton Heston..

One definition of coercion is government by force. You know.. do it, or die.. manipulation is much more subtle, not so up front. You can lead a horse to water by salting his oats.. or you can try to drive him to it with a whip.

Are those the two big ones with pointy ears?

Oldies has the thought that wholesale dumping of pfal et al down the crapper because those who produced it were so jaded is some form of "victim entitlement". Thinks it is unfair to "the product". or to vic when he was "standing" in his "greatness". I know, it doesn't make sense..

If you think that's interesting.. here's a shot where I stayed at a party till four. It's hard to leave when you can't find the door.. (Joe Walsh forgive me..)

Hey, maybe there's hope, I actually got a spot on You tube..

Oldies, you HAD a place to go to.. I was another one who didn't. I put up with bad manners, false accusation and confrontation, for that simple reason. But I tried to make sense of it, and magnify the little bit of good. I convinced myself well enough that I stayed in the Gulag through quite a few of my adult years.

388 views on a thread with a squirrel gone nuts, and 1043 hits on a page about a poodle allegedly getting whacked.. You guys are ignoring the REAL talent here..

What I wonder is, why does da "werd of gawd", as espoused by twi, make people's lives worse. Often, much worse. And I can almost hear the apologist's excuse, but the "freedom in Christ" seemed merely enough to free the patients to run the sanitarium there..

Where the rubber hit the road, this was the ONLY power they had.