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I remember how he felt about computers, "some of you have accepted COMPUTERS (drat), YOU DON'T NEED computers to 'move da word'.." "You could handle the work you do with pencil and paper.." and that was running an AREA, or a LIMB. I think if you can single-handedly run a state wide business with pencil, paper, and a calculator, the business is more than in trouble..

I've vomited up more rotten fish than I care to enumerate..

I dunno.. I think if he chimed in here, it would be like tossing a couple hundred pounds of fresh hamburger in shark infested waters.. but I don't think that would be such a bad thing. After fifty or sixty pages of hoopla, I think a lot of people would actually forgive the miserable SOB. I had to find a conscience once too. Nowhere near the level of damage loy did, but I did my share. J.L. still takes a pretty good beating here, but he failed to dialog, he chose to pontificate. I think if loy actually honestly dialoged, he'd have half a chance here.

Or are you trying to say that upon leaving the clutches of der vey, a person doesn't have the right to dump twi doctrine like yesterday's garbage? Just trying to understand this.. Personally, I think the guy was so unclean he contaminated everything he touched..

Here in the forums, and also comments of the Judge and court documents and "stuff" in the A**en case. Rivenbark KNEW about the trail of women being hustled to loy's doorstep.

Just a question.. how does entitlement fit into this? Entitled, to what? What's supposedly owed to the victim? I don't see it.. Are you trying to say that if a person had a rotten abusive enough relationship with der "verdmeister" that they have the mindset of being "entitled" if they simply throw away everything they ever learned from the lousy scumbag? Or that they are forever destined to sort through the bottom of twi's outhouse, trying to find some kind of treasure? Really, I don't see where "entitlement" is relevant. I just don't get it.. I've seen the attitudee of "entitlement" on the other foot a few times though. Several I know who left der vey, feel that they are entitled that you agree with them. After all, "we all know the same word, do we not?"

You won't find it written in a syalbus or book. "every woman in da kingdom belongs to da king" was an off the cuff, cutsie little remark vic made in pfal. Kinda like, "well, we ALL know this little tidbit, it's logcical and everything.." was what I perceived his demeanor as he spoke it. Just another rotten little seed, and it was allowed to fester and grow.. I don't have the book anymore, somebody else will have to look it up to see what the printed statement actually was. vic was surrounded with people who would act as a pimp. It is documented how they hustled, recruited and coerced women, and ushered them into the camper and waiting greasy arms of der mog. It was a kind of esoteric spoken tradition passed along. They wouldn't dare put it directly in a book..

However, if a persons experience was toxic enough, that may be the only option. For them, anyway.

Exie, I'm trying to figure it out the same as the rest of us. Maybe the SOB was apologizing to himself.. I'm still trying to make sense of it. maybe there is no sense.

Well, I for one, as a lowly squirrel, would never argue with the great Denny Crane. So, is J.L. not on the board? did he resign, or allow himself to be voted out? enquiring squirrels would like to know, or at least to understand.. I've been working over this big research project for my Literature class. Funny thing, every time I look over the work, my opinion has changed.

I have only heard two "apologies". 1. When he pulled the sermon out of the "files of his mind" and condemned the poor alcoholic.. 2. "I wish I were the man I knew to be" that's it. All I know of.

Probably had it there to remind him 24 is indeed 3 times 8..

I should have added: "without incriminating herself either legally, or to the flock" It's kinda pathetic, the only thing interesting about the old "gal", is about the things she doesn't really have the liberty to disclose..

Amazing how someone who DEMANDS openess from der flock about their job, finances, kids, sex life, potty schedules.. can't sit down for five minutes, be real, and tell somebody else about her personal life.. well, can't be too hard on the old "gal". Some witnessing incident in downtown podunk ohio was probably the most interesting thing she could come up with.. Oh, I'll give five points to the first person who names the figure the mod used in the title of the thread..

Sounds like the LAST thing she wanted you to really know. Instead you get horror stories about the expression on somebody's face when they found rosie on the other side of the door..

Understand them? I can't read them without a magnifying glass, can't believe I could write that small. Someday I'll scan a page so people see what real religious zealots can do to a bible..

This may be silly, but really, thanks for the hard work.

Don't just break off and eat the ears..

I fixed the link: http://www.sugarbushsquirrel.com/ This guy's done everything.. like the Forest Gump of the squirrel world.. "I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy" But can he copy Morse code at forty five words a minute?

I remember something like that.. called some governmental officials about something that really DEMANDED the call to be made. Yep, I got a call.. "shoulda called ME FIRST". Wasn't much more than a pimple on the arse of twi hierarchy for a long time after that.. But, I wonder if it's printed in the pfal book that way. I think it was modified to something like "all the resources of the kingdom" or something. Maybe somebody could kindly look it up, I don't have a pfal book anymore.. How some people even today think vic's the "real deal", all he had to do is make an offhand suggestion like that, and merely leave it to his followers to take it where he wanted it really to go. Then his royal smugness could sit back and let them do the dirty work and recruit the women into the mog's service.. Quite a few learned to satisfy themselves as well.

I'm still kind of on a "sabbatical". "no new research" I think that what I took out of the vey experience, was not that I understood the bible, but I could certainly analyze it, pick it apart, structures, figures of speech, greek stuff.. I still could, but I don't care to, at least at the moment.

An unrelated, or is it really unrelated, topic- vic was FURIOUS about Romans 13 translations, which said that people needed to be subject to secular government. By golly, it's gotta be gawd, or gawd's representatives that people should humble themselves before. I think there is a connection. "All the women (and everything else for that matter) of the kingdom belongs to the king.." The king represented government, did he not? OH. Naw, its gotta be gawd, or his representative.. Whether or not people were brow beaten with this verbally may or may not be documentable, but practically, I think the behavior and actions of loy, vic and others demonstrate it. They felt that they were ENTITLED.

vic apparently did. And loy, and all the rest they could convince. On the surface "all the women of the kingdom, belong to the king" was a slightly "off" remark in the pfal class. Seemingly innocent.. but they took it to extremes in the inner circle.

Well it makes sense to me, in a warped sort of way. 1. All da women belonged to der mog. 2. der mog passed the "mantle" along to loy. He certainly exercised his "priviledges".. 3. Upon loy's departure, he passes the mantle along, to whom? Women in der vey, if i were you, I'd run like hell...