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I remember something like that.. called some governmental officials about something that really DEMANDED the call to be made. Yep, I got a call.. "shoulda called ME FIRST". Wasn't much more than a pimple on the arse of twi hierarchy for a long time after that.. But, I wonder if it's printed in the pfal book that way. I think it was modified to something like "all the resources of the kingdom" or something. Maybe somebody could kindly look it up, I don't have a pfal book anymore.. How some people even today think vic's the "real deal", all he had to do is make an offhand suggestion like that, and merely leave it to his followers to take it where he wanted it really to go. Then his royal smugness could sit back and let them do the dirty work and recruit the women into the mog's service.. Quite a few learned to satisfy themselves as well.

I'm still kind of on a "sabbatical". "no new research" I think that what I took out of the vey experience, was not that I understood the bible, but I could certainly analyze it, pick it apart, structures, figures of speech, greek stuff.. I still could, but I don't care to, at least at the moment.

An unrelated, or is it really unrelated, topic- vic was FURIOUS about Romans 13 translations, which said that people needed to be subject to secular government. By golly, it's gotta be gawd, or gawd's representatives that people should humble themselves before. I think there is a connection. "All the women (and everything else for that matter) of the kingdom belongs to the king.." The king represented government, did he not? OH. Naw, its gotta be gawd, or his representative.. Whether or not people were brow beaten with this verbally may or may not be documentable, but practically, I think the behavior and actions of loy, vic and others demonstrate it. They felt that they were ENTITLED.

vic apparently did. And loy, and all the rest they could convince. On the surface "all the women of the kingdom, belong to the king" was a slightly "off" remark in the pfal class. Seemingly innocent.. but they took it to extremes in the inner circle.

Well it makes sense to me, in a warped sort of way. 1. All da women belonged to der mog. 2. der mog passed the "mantle" along to loy. He certainly exercised his "priviledges".. 3. Upon loy's departure, he passes the mantle along, to whom? Women in der vey, if i were you, I'd run like hell...

That was the strategy of the BOD at twi, was it not? Sad thing for CES, you are stuck with em. Can't vote them out.. at least three on top. Those who brought you "unique" mixture of personal prophecy and momentus are still calling the shots. If you can't fire incompetence, about the only remedy you'd have would be to walk away, and find another gig..

I don't think I have any open sores left. I may have some scars. Heck, I'll even show them and swap stories.. "And I got THIS one tangling with a certain saber-toothed region coordinator.."

Perhaps for a staunch mog lover. Every "vile" accusation of their beloved leader just is too much, too much pain. Opens just another unhealed, painful wound, full of pus and poison. Some will follow him all the way down a hole under the fountain. In clear light of glaring plagiarim, abuse, rape and worse, defend him to the death- "well, sumthin good came out of it, didn't it?" I'll modify my first post. I think SOME people worshipped vic, the ground he walked on, worship his works like they are God himself, and even worship the ground he's buried in. All of this, even over twenty years after his death.

Yeah. Around here, they are just so busy busy busy in the fall. There is a walnut tree about half a block away, and by the time they are done, they probably can't remember where even half of the nuts are they've buried. But we have lots of new little walnut trees coming up. Shouldn't call them squirrels anymore, these guys are brilliant. I think they got a degree in Arboreal Engineering around here somewhere..

Well, I wouldn't say worshipped, exactly. But with parades in his honor, titles lke da mog, "doctor", adherence to his "research" like it was the hand of God itself, and such, I think it was a close second to worship. Maybe you should publish a book. "vp is NOT God". It would start no small furor in some circles..

BINGO.

Naw, those are red eyes. He's just plain evil..

The thought that God was not in der vey AT ALL, from the beginning, sets better with me than to think a glass eyed adulterer, plagiarizer and rapist was handed the secrets of the universe. Even IF it happened- that the lord said, if you teach it... I'll do so and so, vic didn't live up to the bargain. Instead of teaching, vic went about stealing and making off with every woman who wasn't bolted to the floor.. I would say he abrogated the "agreement" before taking step one. All of this sex crazed junk started way back in his denominational days. Or before. Somebody challenged me once, "what would you do if you found everything you believed to be WRONG?" If you can't even consider that question, what's the point of trying to learn..

Was this the fellow?

Now, now, Raf. One of those on that list just has to be true. I find this one a little more believable:

"You, suh, have impugned, mah honah. Retract your fowl accusations" "I retract not. Thou art a worthless slob and sluggard.." "Ah demand satisfaction, suh." "Choose your weapons suh, and name your terms." "Sundials, at twenty paces.."

In der vey living in lust, I remember old "doc" telling Elena about the early years, how he burned the "junk", went to the verd, and shared with Dr. Higgins. She read Bullinger. "Wow, you teach like he wrote". vics answer was of not much substance than "aww, tweren't nuthin.." He claimed to have independantly come up with the same material before Higgins shared Bullinger with him. Until Bullinger books starting making the rounds.

tick, hmm. Bacteria in a tick's colon that's on bubba's greasy rear that's, hmmm.

Should have been written on his tombstone, "I wish I was the plagiarizer that I knew to be" (concealed my sources better)

Here's one thread. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...p;hl=plagiarism Some people are still so brainwashed and awestruck by vic's personna that they still can't admit vic plagiarized, when presented whole sections of other people's material he bulk copied. vic was guilty of plagiarism, even by the standards of the 1930's and 1940's, when he was in school. The man had a valid master's degree.. you'd think that he would have known better.

Any thoughts?

For some perhaps. I don't paint all psychologists or therapists as evil though.. I think there is a pretty broad spectrum of people with different motivations. You have some who care, some who are in it for the money, some who are highly qualified and professional, and some who don't give a damn. The most damaging and addictive appear to be the quasi-psychological weekend "drive through" type of fixits that can cause problems far worse than they are trying to "fix". Kinda like twi. Every year, have to leave family and friends on a national holiday, and get the same verbal pummeling, year after year.. with the same bore me to tears drivel, and it is demanded, not an option. I think the "patients" need to pick up a few clubs and work over the "docs"

Interesting comment here. Why does this sound like twi? Striking similarity here.