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Look what it did to CES.. all the top dogs there have had "THE EXPERIENCE". Wanna hold office in that organization? better get with the program.. I saw what a commercial version of this kind of seminar did to my boss.. no BETTER than before, not IMPROVED- just more arrogant, more aggressive. More, well, GOAT. "errrr, I'm GOD here.." I had to tiptoe around that crap for over a year.. and I won't even begin to mention what it did to the business. I didn't sign the hold harmless, maybe *I* should sue for damages.. My opinion, NO MONEY, NO AMOUNT OF PERSONAL SUCCESS, gained for people whom I have observed who went through this seminar, is worth the price paid. Spiritually, I'd be better off unemployed and homeless somewhere.

Yeah.. but Rich, you bring up a very good point about goats. How is it that some people escape unscathed from this thing.. others, well. The "goats" that entered the goat rehab called momentus, emerged as.. (no suprise) bigger and "better" GOATS. More convinced, more egotistical, more arrogant.. with more focus. I think the sheep that entered it either got hurt, or simply came through unscathed. Goats can be pretty good at "confrontation" you know.. they can offer vile, nasty "prophecies" to make people tow the line.. threats that people are being "unbilblical" and such.

They THINK they do, and are rather convinced of it. They think they know what you THINK. They THINK they hold inside information about the motivation behind every thing you do. I've had "them" so far miss the mark.. what they described, and what I thought were day and night apart.. but there was no convincing "them", they were the experts.. I can hide what's on the inside fairly well if I want to, and I found them grasping at straws trying to "get it". If they are STILL abusing people like this, things haven't changed much. The way I look at it there are two choices. Either: 1. They are indeed what they say, and can see devils under every rock, read people's minds and have the heavy revelation on their lives 2. They are NUTS. Gone off the deep end, huffed a little too much glue.. drank WAY too much of their own koolaide.. lost in delusions of Godhood. In my PERSONAL experience, I can safely rule out number one.

You'd think, wouldn't you..

Maybe they'll save it for "grad" meetings, like the old PFAL segment "the day Jesus Christ died". Only viewable by those "mature" enough.. Are they actually STILL running video from loy's class? That would suprise me.. but not too much.

While I would think twice inhaling anything with flourine in it, this chemical appears to be quite stable. The "experts" say it is non-toxic.

Yeah. Too bad some people give us a good reason to despise "prophecies", sorting through spiders and such, trying to make some kind of meaning out of it.

Just so much office politics, office "games" with a very thin christian veneer. The "commercial" version of their precious seminar teaches people how to REALLY play the game, no holds barred. Put people in a "lifeboat", and decide who's staying.. must be as much "fun" as watching two cats tied together, hung over a clothes line.

burying the wrong guy... heheheh.

The idea that J.L., M.G., et al NEEDED a good head knocking says a lot. Maybe they need to go back a couple times for some "retraining" if it is all so great.. Put all three and minions in the "lifeboat" exercise.. Or maybe that is what they just did. Ah, who to throw out.. I wonder if the board will now require the signing of a hold harmless agreement as a requirement to hold office in that place.. that would take care of those pesky lawsuits. With all the confrontations, maneuvering, tossing out of the boat.. to me, it looks like they took the momentus book and made "momentus, da movie"..

I have actually seen this once.. minus the snowstorm

I can live with that.. I just wish they didn't recommend it for the rest of us who don't need it. Why don't they do what they did in the old days, go off and join the French Foreign Legion or something..

That one gets my vote. Not to be crass, or mean or anything.. but it reminds me of some kids I knew in my youth who huffed a little too much glue- they just weren't all there..

Trouble is, once it's rolling, it's hard to stop.. let's see, where'd I leave off.. ah. ".. to guide and to comfort me. Lo, though I recline in satin, cotton, or cheap polyester, Thou wilt bring comfort and plump softness to my head, all the days of my life..."

"Oooooooh, Mighty Pillow, guide me through the good times, the bad times,.. yea, though I pass through the valley of orthopedic discomfort, thou art with me..."

Literally. I said, "you're not giving yourself just a LITTLE too much credit here, are you?" As far as Lynn/Graeser/Schoenheit and company are concerned- I think the little seminar was one of the important stepping stones along The Way that helped remove the final barriers or limitations between them and their delusions of Moghood..

I've seen what the "commercial" version of this kind of thing does to people.. my boss came back from one of these things a few years ago, the poor b*s*ard thought he was God..

No, I haven't taken it.. and I won't. I've seen what it does to other people. Lynn, Graeser, et. al make the perfect momentus "poster child". The perfect "witnesses" to the merits of momentus. My opinion, the experience took an already pompus, arrogant know-it-all personality and removed the rest of the restraints. "anybody who's anybody" in the organization has taken this seminar. It's the "secret handshake".. the "mark of maturity".. Read the threads here.. look at what the inner core of CES has done and is doing. They are ALL momentus grads. No thanks, not for me. No thanks- I'll save time and money and beat my own pillow, on my own terms.. Honestly, I'm pompous, egotistical enough as it is. I don't REALLY need any more "help" :)

No, I didn't get it "backwards" I really meant- old wine, new skins.

I dunno.. I think there is a distinction between concentrated effort and grunting one's way to "success". Honestly, any screaming, or beating the pillow I've done hasn't done me any good in life.. didn't make me feel any better either. Didn't provide solutions.. at least I didn't pay somebody cashola for THAT particular lesson. Just seems to me, if you find your own path, the rest is easy. Like the butterfly. Someone may SAY that it is hard, that it's experience isn't enjoyable, but how do you know? Maybe he's having the time of his life. Sheesh.. butterflies don't need a lamaze partner or something, "breath, breath, breath, now pushhhhhhhh..." In a lot of ways, I think the momentus experience is like trying to put old wine in new wine skins. The old wine might be "awesome", but maybe a person oughta try something "new"..

Now Exie, lets be fair. Only if he is picking his nose with his big toe, going 80 miles and hour, and in a snowstorm.

In fifty years of life, I have never, ever ever seen a butterfly beat a pillow.. I think it is a myth, that change has to be uncomfortable. "some change implies lack of comfort" is not equivalent to "I suffered discomfort, therefore I experienced change".

Hmm. Maybe they started seeing debils under shoelaces. Saw them everywhere else..

Welcome, another spot! Yes, I think that was the thought, couldn't learn anything new on your own. I remember the advanced class teaching took it further- only way you could learn anything "new" would have to be by revelation. That's kinda narrow minded, in my opinion. People asked Einstein what made him so "special".. his answer was something like most of it was hard work..

That is a good point. Einstein and a few others stepped beyond a few assumptions that their predecessors held to. Before Einstein and a few others, they thought they knew everything there was to be known about physics, that they only needed to polish it up a little bit.