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"Cheetos. Six pack of Jolt. And Pineapple-free pizza." Finding that caffeine has a little more "punch" without the calming effects of nicotine, are we? Heh heh.

Just found this- interesting how * got a whopping forty percent of the vote. I guess all the other *"s will have to retreat back into their little holes, realizing that somehow, they failed miserably in this popularity poll. Poor things.. I guess they'll have to try harder next time.

"How could it be the leader was SO GREAT A BELIEVER STANDING IN THE GAP and being attacked for it while it was us who failed to not be strong enough not to be attacked? Geez!" Just mark up another on to "da accuracy" of PFAL- or whatever "the present truth" happens to be now. I guess they've gotta live with themselves somehow- funny how things look when its THEIR life. Funny how leadership refused to place the blame for non-performing doctrine at their own doorstep- but if you dared to have a failure, woe unto you. These jokers saw and had failure upon failure- and still refuse to see the light- despite lack of results- and despite HORRIBLE results- year after year. They've bought into it- but you'd think after hitting your head on the wall enough times, you'd learn a lesson. No wonder they turned so friggin mean. No wonder I was so mean at times. Its more frustrating than it looks- trying to figure everything out, trying to figure out where to place the blame. Some of us wake up, I guess some of us don't..

Well, I know where he is NOT- not at the grocery store, picking up pineapple for Raf's pizza.

Like the cops have a guy pulled over for speeding. "Let's see your license". "How dare you ask for my credentials! If you persist, you will go to hell". "Maybe so, but if I don't see your licence, you will go to jail".

Really- if its "The Word as it has not been known since the first century" it should get the same results as the word known IN the first century. Asking for verification of claims is neither vulgar, or rude. Reminds me of the "good old days" before the American Medical Association set up shop. Anybody who WANTED to would simply hang out on a shingle, "Doctors Office". Forget that they had not even SEEN a neked body, no less knew what was inside of it. Forget the fact that at best, their experience consisted of working on a couple horses and a mule. And they would argue vehemently against those who questioned their "qualifications". Nay-sayers were labeled "troublemakers" and worse. Wouldn't work today. People learned a few things. Results, results.. maybe I'm just harping too much.. maybe not. Maybe a couple of ole Doc's herbal remedies may help my cold, but don't get near me with the bone saw- I just may be having a bad day- I don't need my leg cut off. Uncomfortable as it may be, credentials were made to be questioned- or verified. Go in any prominent Doctors office- look on the wall. Anybody with a degree from a diploma mill does not stay open for long, if he opens at all. One of my all time favorite movies- "The Inlaws"- not the new one- the one filmed in the eighties- Peter Falk asking the dentist after looking at all the paper hanging on the wall- "so, do you know what all this really means?" "Well, yes- it means that I am not going to go to jail for practicing medicine without a license"- heh heh. Anymore- anybody hanging out a shingle- "I've got all the answers" or some such nonsense, gives me the "willies". Some of them threaten to send people to hell when they ask for qualifications. Others, simply call you dense or unloving. Shame on you, bad, bad person. You're just like Thomas. How unloving. Jesus was the "real thing"- whether Thomas was wrong or not, he ACCOMMODATED him. "Go ahead. take a look. Stuff your fingers through my hand. My side. See for yourself". But "Well, after the resurrection, I am just so peaceful now, and can "renew" my mind" would not have gone very far. I guess I'm just a bad, bad person. So I re-issue my inquiry- where are the results? What has it done for you? Others have answered- and I would not call them counterfiet, or stupid, for that matter. What's the big deal?

Still.. I bet prison life is not all it is cracked up to be. The "general population" likely will have some "fun" with him. The isolation he would need would be for most part unbearable. Might be worse than death, who knows..

I don't post. Even now. Its actually my evil twin, steals my computer. Muahahahahah.

But all in all, I think they learned a few things- the offshoots that is. They still do have something to sell- but not high pressure, anybody who's anybody's had da class, one size fits all product like PFAL and it's offspring. More like, "we have something that may help". Lots more honest. No or far less stupid, unreasonable claims- at least on the advertising end of the organizations. The ones I have had experiences with, this is the case. If you want their classes, fine. If not, that's OK too. No second class citizenry if you don't. That's kinda what I meant when I said that TWI wouldn't last three seconds after the bell rung. They wouldn't. Anybody who's anybody- at least that could- have left- and a lot of good folks ended up in at least one offshoot I know. TWI wouldn't last a minute..

Hey.. it'd be just perfect for one of those "celebrity deathmatch" things..

Crispy.. hmmmmmm. Just a couple of secs in Raf's "domain" oughta do it..

But, really- what are you trying to do? To SELL it. I've even seen some folks get a few results from some parts of it- myself included. I just wouldn't call it "miracle soap". You know, soap that'll do EVERYTHING. Perfect soap. Soap of the ages.. Soap that'll give you anything, or everything- guaranteed. The trouble with all this, I have never seen any of this kind of soap live up to its claims. "Darn people were just too dirty, its their fault". I did not make the claim. I'll accept the claim- now let's see it DO something. The best advertising is done with demonstration. Words are nice, but lets see what it can do.

That's OK- describes me pretty much exactly. It took me over twenty years to figure out that there was something wrong with the concept of owing my all and all to a stinking "ministry". Took me about five years to figure out that the guy who could just plain scream really loud was not necessarily as spiritual as he claimed. Call me slow, call me simple- probably a pretty honest assessment. Actually, in my "witnessing days" I found it TOO EASY to dismiss these kind of questions. Too easy to think "small minds want results". "We do not see then believe, we believe THEN see the power of God.. etc, etc". No results? You must not be "believing". Real convenient excuse- just never can be the product- we want to be able to sell that. Easier and more convenient for people with problems to dissappear in the night. There were times I "believed" and good stuff happened. There were times I "believed" and some real bad crap STILL happened. Results- isn't that what its all really about? What's it really doing for you? Ole Doc did say one thing: "If you say you can jump over the barn, and you can really DO IT you're not bragging". Unfortunately, I did not see him jump over very many "barns". Half of the doctrine issue is practical. How do you PRACTICE it? Legitimate question. I showed you my "results"- and PFAL contributed a small percentage. Some worked. A certain percentage of PFAL resulted in catastrophe. Show me yours. Show me what it did for you. That of course was the real deal that was supposed to get people in the class- even back then.. tell them what it did for you. I'm not bitter, I'm not "....ed off", I'm not even slightly ornery at the time. I'm not even in particular trying to pick a fight. All I'm saying, with all the mastering, all the study, all the etc., if it works, if it is worthwhile, you've gotta be seeing some results. What are they? When I was a first-class witnesser, I could dodge quite a few questions fairly well back then. I remember giving some pretty lame claims- "well, I finally have peace of mind", "I finally know who I am in Christ" or "well, I can understand some of the Bible that I previously did not". All so vague, so subjective.. some folks thought I was more peaceful if I'd just take a couple demerols or something. ` People would say, "If you can DO the miracles, why am I not hearing about it?" It's really an honest question. If you can, by "mastering" the materials, believe to do the function of a Prophet- where are the results? No healing ministry in your area? Why not "master" the healing section in your advanced class sylabus and have at it? March in the hospital, and clear it out? Mind you, I am not questioning God Almighty- I know He can heal- I know he can energize healings- but I am questioning PEOPLE. By the way, ever even SEEN a healing ministry? You wouldn't miss it if you were deaf and had both eyes closed. Kind of like God says, "lets just take off the gloves- forget the "rules", have at em' kid". Literally- "cleaning out the hospitals". Kind of like Acts- the healed when the SHADOW of Peter hit them. No "bragging" there, he pulled it off. Same with Paul in Acts 19. Doesn't happen very often. My point- can't "educate" yourself enough to do it. Can't renew the mind enough- can't work hard enough. Can't "master" it- either got it, or you don't. Either God's given it to you or HE hasn't. It's GRACE if it happens- and it's GOD'S choice. Absolutely not guaranteed. I don't have big enough of a brain to figure out why. No results? PFAL must be highly over-rated. Like a nice catalog- you can drool over the pictures- but alas, you lack the wherewithal. I remember when I was a kid- kind of "geeky" I'd admit- I DROOLED over the Edmund Scientific Co. catalog. That's OK I guess- but it didn't get me the stuff. If I got that high power laser, I'd a probably just shot my eye out with it anyway.. If you read back a little- you'll find what I found that worked, and what didn't. I'm probably nuts for posting some of the stuff. But its my life- learned a few things at least.

OK.. If Steve! is the good, Raf is the bad, all we need to figure out is who is "the Ugly".

And more importantly, now you can spell it properly!

Heh heh heh.

Yep.. it'd take a real estate "miracle" heh heh. Maybe some poor sucker could buy it and move it one brick at a time somewhere. On the other hand- maybe they could auction off one brick at a time on greasespotcafe.com. Maybe a little mean- just a little "ornery" this morning, heh heh.

Soooo Mike. Where are we with this? Where are the results? Enquiring minds want to know.. still.

Well, only one thing I could say: If you have TWI in one corner, offshoot in the other- TWI probably wouldn't last three seconds after the bell rung..

Steve! You've got a little work ahead for you "big guy", heh heh.

Now I know where to send my Christmas wish list to..

As viciously as Loy attacked the offshoots, you'd think that they must have had something right.

"Da prevailing" choir.. good grief, rather listen to Sgt. Peppers- "Twenty years ago today, Sgt. pepper taught the band to play.."

Probably have to stuff the back 3/4 of the place with "blow up" people.. I remember my name was in that book.. probably not any more.

Well.. what more can one say. But if they were, somebody would be saying, "my, we have a lot of sailors at twig tonight"- heh heh.