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If you think your efforts are worthwhile, by all means I wouldn't discouraging you from doing what's right. It's just my opinion.. but here you have "Starvin Marvin" down to about 50 pounds laying in the middle of the road. But he's not starving. According to him, he's having the party of a lifetime. He has abundance galore! And anybody who is "somebody" needs to be just like him. And today, he decides that he is going to have a new and improved method of starvation for all of the followers. He resists any offer for a decent meal because you are the scum of the earth (supposedly). You feel sorry for him, but what can you do? I think this is comparable to one of the parables, but instead, the guy that got caught up among the robbers beat the hell out the poor Samaritan that attempted to help him. The ones I really have some compassion for are the ones that are on the ride, having no choice- the kids. And this guy will bite your leg off if you get near da kids. Maybe he won't bite your leg off today, just make sure you can't post anything on the website for his "kids". I really do not think that they want, or even think that they need help. You talked about the twelve step program. I do not entirely remember it, but I think number one says you have to admit that you have a problem. Not one of the other steps will do any good until you do the first. Some poor souls never make it past step one. I imagine it is heart-rending for the families to watch a loved one go to the grave, but it does happen. And you can keep forgiving and justifying abusive or self abusive behavior until it has its final toll on an individual. I am not God- it simply is not in my power to keep poor Marv alive. The choice really is his. That is what I meant saying that if there was not real change there, the only rebuilding they are gonna see is after a bulldozer goes over the place. No change, its inevitable, in my opinion.

Interesting. I think it's kinda nice to have something that is "unexplainable". What were they? I do not know. Would like to though..

I feel more sorry for the kids than for them. The kids are along for the ride with the idiots. Don't have a choice in the matter. Someday, they may find out. You're stuck to your kids like they are stuck to you. You're gonna have some real "splainen" to do. Could always just take the low road, and mark and avoid. Others have.

But back to the subject.. I just checked again. The message board is STILL under construction. My opinion, they don't want "your kind" around. They are scared absoulutely dangLESS that you might be able to have any kind of exchange with their kids. Kinda like, "now kids, someday they will tell you that daddy did some horrible things. Do not believe them".

Cats can be pretty tough if they don't get what they want. It's their house, you know..

Kind of like trying to forgive Hitler. "But he was a nice guy, even kissed babies once". Ptooie.

Just another thought. What makes you think they WANT your forgiveness? That is the LAST thing in the world that they think they need. You are a copout, a stain in their otherwise "perfect" existence. Forgive them? They could care less. Trying to forgive that bunch of idiots is like trying to force feed a starving bastard who thinks he does not need food.

Dunno- some of my first thoughts about some things, like the guy in india who was supposedly healed, were, "this is full of s**t" Maybe it works sometimes!

Somehow, I think they conned each other. Maybe ole craigers looked like da man that VP wished he could be..

Yep.. ole craigers couldn't come up with a new concept if it bit him in the a**. He just gave the first thought nonsense a new name- "genuine spiritual suspicion".

Now, you "oughter" no do that..

Same here. I think I would have back in days I spent in da ministry. After leaving, at first, I had to make myself sit and seriously evaluate what people had to say that may not agree with my beliefs. But I am not gullible either.. did that once already.

At least it would be a first year in a coon's age that he would not see his shadow.

Only five days to Groundhog Day. It's a national holiday you know.. when they open Phil's heated burrow and find him frozen dead to the ground.. I wonder what that means.

Where Paw hid the catnip. What else could it be?

Congrats likewise. Now Exie has even more competition moving up through the ranks..

It was only twelve below this morning. I think I feel a heat wave..

I only made one real move- came here in 1977 as a WOW and stayed.

Krysillis, I remember watching that also. One thing that scientists seem to agree on is that for life to exist, there has to be an environment that has water- and it has to be liquid. With few exceptions, anywhere you look on our planet, where there is water, there is life. I don't know about the dead sea- just may be too salty. I saw another video recently, forget the name of the thing.. but they were interviewing a large handful of the scientists at NASA. They did not rebut the suggestion of life elsewhere, but the essence of it was that the world we are on is not quite as ordinary as Carl Sagan suggested. I think the most interesting point was that we are situated precisely in a place that would stimulate intellectual development. Being situated outside of one of the spiral arms of our galaxy gives us a nice clear view of the creation. Most other places in the galaxy are filled up with dust and junk that impair the view of the universe. Toward the center of the galaxy, they pretty much concurred that conditions were just too inhospitable. The other point made was that our planet is on a narrow ring that would allow conditions hospitable for life. In my opinion, if God did not want man to enjoy and study his creation, He picked the wrong place to put him.

Actually, now that I remember it, in one of my more lucid moments, about two years ago late in the afternoon, I did see an object in the sky. Shiny dot, it moved from horizon to horizon in a matter of a several seconds. I do not think it was a plane, no vapor trail behind it. No idea what it was- could have been a satellite- but I don't know if they move that fast. Suppose they could. At least it did not stop, park, and ET come out and say hello..

MStar, I agree.. the guy behind the counter with three eyes started giving me a few suspicions.

Cow Girl- first I ever saw of that. Convinces me! But McDonald's- I always thought they had one on every corner, but whew... Galen, I AM an electonics tech, heh heh.. funny, my mother once said something about how when I was younger I seemed to be so much "different"..

That's strange! heh heh..

Actually, the cloud on the right looks like somebody extending the middle finger with their left hand towards da camp there. Yep, springs on the way.. it's seven below (and that's farenheit) here tonight.

Oh well exie.. I guess I can't have everything! One of the other things I kind of wanted to know was what the people here thought. What are your beliefs? Have your opinions or beliefs changed regarding ET since leaving da ministry? For me personally, I can't really say I believe in ET, just have not gotten enough real info to rule it out. Too often I have been proven wrong when I thought I had all the answers. You all have been certainly more than kind. Can you imagine asking this kind of question in "twig"? heh heh. Woulda gotten "the bums rush" for sure!