TheInvisibleDan

That is very bizarre. I see on p.177 that "428 other books are in a bibliography. If you would like a copy of this, please write..." (lol) I wonder if they would still send me this bibliography if I requested it... Harve? Danny

That's a good point, Zix. There certainly would appear to be a pattern of less plagiarism (or more creative plagiarism) in the later works like JCOP and JCOPS, when he got the teams working on all that stuff. But I wonder - did he have a together-enough, active "research" team back in 1975 (or earlier), when he put together JCING? Well let me then just add this question to the mix, for anyone who might passing by this thread: are there any former researchers, or "team members" here, who worked on a prepress manuscript of "Jesus Christ is Not God?" Please, please, please - share your experiences. Danny

Rafael - As I recall, those definitions were almost identical. Which all the more provokes me to wonder what VPW's primary source was behind JCING. Did he copy/cobble entire passages from another work, as was his custom? It would be a hoot to find out what that work was. Perhaps one also needs to examine the sources that influenced Leonard. Maybe on Leonard's and VP's shelves was a book by some unknown unitarian author (published or unpublished). Danny

And that was a most fascinating response from you, Sir Rafael! Thank you. For some reason I wasn't expecting B.G. Leonard to come up as an influence in this, but now that you've mentioned it, I shouldn't be surpised. I apparently need to pick up some more of Leonard's writings and acquaint myself better with his ideas. I have Stile's book wherein the Holy Spirit is spoken of as a being or a person, but I hadn't really delved into Leonard's view here. The only thing I have by Leonard is a poor photocopy of one of his courses (containing many familiar "Advanced Class" meanings to the spiritual gifts) that was going around circ. 1987, when many leaving the Way had taken especial interest in reviewing the VP's "originals". Danny

I'm just curious, given VPW's well known practice and pattern of plagiarism. Did he lift "Jesus Christ is Not God" or the material therein from someone else? Or am I being overly cynical in assuming it highly unlikely that he came up with this stuff on his own? I thought it might be quite interesting to hear any ideas exploring as to what the actual source "originals" might have been behind this particular work. From whom might he have plagiarized this stuff? Any ideas? Danny [This message was edited by TheInvisibleDan on November 05, 2003 at 10:23.]

"The Frighteners" - I actually saw this for the first time the other evening. Very entertaining. Directed by Peter Jackson ("Lord of the Rings") "Dagon" - an adaptation of a couple H.P. Lovecraft stories. By the director of "Re-animator". "The Wicker Man" - Christian cop (star of the "Equalizer" series) investigates missing person case on a pagan island. "Horror Hotel" - starring Christopher Lee. "Ghost Story" - Starring Fred Astaire, and a bunch of other old-now-deceased actors. Very well done. "House on Haunted Hill" - the original version with Vincent Price, without whom Halloween would not be complete. Any of the classic Universal flicks, "Frankenstein", "Dracula" and "Wolfman".

Harve - Don't hide in your rabbit hole. Please respond. Danny

Whoa - check out the disco Jesus costume - http://www.joyfulcostumes.com/gold_jesus.htm What a trip.

Saw this movie for the first time this evening, on dvd. Interestingly, my daughter also picked up an Anime dvd called "Hack/Sign", in which all the drama and action are played out by people entering into a computer generated world. The plotlines of both dvds really do reverberate that of the ancient "Tron". The second Matrix offering comes off as humorously self-indulgent. I almost broke out laughing as the "Architect" rambled endlessly on and on and on, wondering if Kenau the actor was actually able to follow him. The scene of the tribal-like, primitive drum-beat filled celebration in the underground city of Zion earlier in the film was also rather campy and bizarre. And was that disco music I heard accompanying the fight scenes? This movie certainly feels different from the first one. The simplicity and directness of the first movie has seemingly developed and given way to something of a religion in this second entry, with even the three main characters resembling priests in their long, stylish robes. The movie is nonetheless great eye candy. I'm a sucker -I know I won't be able to resist the 3rd installment. Danny

Hope, That was "damn good coffee...and hot!" I still have via old videotapes the original run of "Twin Peaks", though I had lost the last episode over the years until recently, when I taped it off the "Bravo" channel. "Bob" was indeed one of the most intensely scariest characters to have hit the TV screens. It amazes me that fans still debate and search out the meanings to the various points of Twin Peak cosmology, with the same intense zeal I observe in the "Doctrinal" forum here and elsewhere. What did you think of the prequel, "Fire Walk with Me"? I'm hoping David Lynch releases the full, uncut version of this someday (4-5 hours?) - unlike the present version in circulation, all the cast members of the original series were supposedly in it. Danny

I don't get HBO, but the ads for "Carnivale" do indeed look very "Twin Peakish", in no small part due to the midget, who also appeared in Peaks as well as "Mulholland Drive". I had always hoped David Lynch would do a sequel to "Twin Peaks" -what a delightfully, nutty show that was. A crossover sequel with the "X-Files" would have been interesting, if done right. Danny

Omigosh. Sounds like something out of Monty Python's "Meaning of Life" - the skit where the professor's wife comes into the classroom for a "demonstration". So those pics of the naked folks shown throughout CF&S - were those Corp people? I've always wondered about that. Danny

"Tivo" sounds like a step in the right direction. Television is becoming unwatchable and time-consuming due to the commercials alone. One of my favorite channels used to be AMC, which would interrupt a movie for commercials only once halfway through it. Now it seems they're playing commercials every 5 minutes, for goodness sakes. I would have thought that for all that people are paying for cable, so many commercials would have been unnecessary. Now they're blaring huge ads across the bottom part of the screen during a show or movie. It's getting ridiculous. Danny

Kathy with much speech - Bose? Whoa. I don't think my old "Technics" receiver holds a candle to that, but I was quite pleasantly surprised to watch and hear the old version of "Planet of the Apes" played by the AMC channel over the past week -in stereo! It was awesome. Funny story! Your neighborhood sounds like a "Madhouse!" Danny

Or in the meantime, you can get by with any home stereo set up in your living room.

Hi Kathy who is talkable - yes, I think "Dune" falls into the sci-fi/fantasy category. My wife has a couple of Frank Herbert's books, lying around here somewhere. I remember seeing the first version that was directed by David Lynch many years ago. And I also recall my brother being somewhat confused by the movie - unlike myself, he had read the books! But I guess the sci-fi channel did a decent miniseries. I caught it here 'n there. Miniseries takes a bit of "commitment" though. For example, I still prefer Kubrick's (praised be his name) creepy version of "The Shining" over the long-winded miniseries any day. In Kubrick's hands, it actually became a movie. In King's hands, a soap opera. Danny

You might also enjoy checking out the book "The Lost Worlds of 2001" by Arthur C. Clark (1972), which goes through the various evolutions of the original short story, "The Sentinel," and the ideas that were bounced back and forth between Clark and Kubrick as they were working on the film. Very fascinating stuff. Danny

Ah, the old drive-ins. I think we have one or two left in CT. My brother and I use to go to drive-ins a lot during the 70s. A couple times I even sneaked in, hidden in the truck of a car. Jeesh. Danny

Starring Nicholas Cage, Meryl Streep; directed by Spike Jonz; "adapted" from the book, "The Orchid Thief" by Susan Orleans. I rented the dvd last week and ended up watching it 3 times already. It's a very clever and funny screenplay. The same kind of lunancy one might expect from the makers of "Being John Malkovich", but I thought it even topped that. I laugh wondering what the real Susan Orleans must have thought by the end of movie. I won't provide any spoilers here. For those with an offbeat sense of humor, you may enjoy this movie. And if one is an aspiring scriptwriter (Zixar?), you may like this movie all the more. Danny

Hopefully, with the dvd release they should at least provide the option of subtitles.

Have you tried the "refresh" button on your internet browser? Danny

Breaking the "spell" of PFAL? No such danger here, even amongst those so zealously outspoken against it. [This message was edited by TheInvisibleDan on July 28, 2003 at 19:52.]

Pirate - wow, I had completely forgotten that Marjoe Gortner was in "Pray for the Wildcats". Which probably doesn't indicate too much for the present state of his acting career if he's still around. William Shatner's versions of "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" and "Mr. Tambourine Man" are a hoot! That stuff is originally from his 60s album, "The Illustrated Man". "Talk-singing" (lol). Still oddly better than "rap" though. Yes, Geo, I guess I have a weakness for that schlock. Danny

Does anyone else here recall any of those "made-for-TV" movies that played on TV during the 70s? What's your favorite? Can't wait until they start appearing on dvd, if they ever do. Some of the ones I recall: "Pray for the Wildcats" - something of a "made-for-TV" spin on "Easy Rider" -starring William Shatner ("Star Trek"), Robert Reed ("Brady Bunch")and Andy Griffith as business associates who do an ill-fated motorcycle trip. "Killdozer" - A bulldozer on a secluded island bumps into an alien-possessed meteorite, from which the bulldozer becomes possessed and goes on a killing spree. I think Stephen King saw this one. "Duel" - Steven Spielberg's directorial debut. Paranoid and wimpy Dennis Weaver, driving his wimpy car, verses a seemingly possessed tractor trailer. Great chase scenes. Stephen King must have watched this one too, for anyone familiar with his "Maximum Overdrive". "Trapped" - James Brolin is mugged and knocked out in a bathroom in a shopping mall, in which a pack of guard dobermans are released at closing time. Other favorites, "Trilogy of Terror", "Don't Be Afraid of the Dark", "Ordeal".... Ah, they just don't make them as entertaining and tacky as they used to... Danny

I want to get a copy of that 70s Christian movie, "Thief in the Night", to place on my video shelf alongside "The Giant Gila Monster", "Curse of Bigfoot", and "The Giant Claw". That flick was campy and hilarious. Danny [This message was edited by TheInvisibleDan on July 15, 2003 at 2:25.]