TheInvisibleDan

Well I went back to the first century, and I didn't see Wierwille anywhere in sight. I did, however, happen spot a broken down Harley near the 19th century ramp, with Ohio plates. But damn, I didn't see him anywhere in the first century. Sorry to break this news to you, Mike.

Only after I finish reading it - or trip over an Oxford at the next tag sale I visit. :)--> Danny

Exie, You're so sweet. Thank you. Danny

B.G. Leonard. J.E. Stiles. William Branham.

It seems possible to me that one could be either divinely or demonically "possessed". It is interesting to notice in Webster's Unabridged Dictionary that our English word "giddy" derives from the same Old English word for "God" (gheu) - "giddy"(ghidig) used to mean "possessed by a God". Sorry, I'm "giddy" over my "new" dictionary - all 20 lbs, 3000 pages bolted together of a 1952 edition with a leaf embossed cover in excellent condition, for which I paid a grand total of $2 at a church sale yesterday - God, I love a bargain! The definition for "genius" is also very interesting: "A guardian deity or spirit of a person...A tutelary deity: the ruling and protecting power of men, places or things; a good or evil spirit supposed to be attached to a person and influence his actions..." [This message was edited by TheInvisibleDan on February 01, 2004 at 19:04.]

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Which is where I'm at, being issues which I suspect many amongst our age group (40-50 somethings) who happen to have one or both parents still around are dealing with at this point in our lives. At least Mrs. VPW is so fortunate enough to be receiving care in a nursing home - not all of us with parents undergoing the ravages of old age are so fortunate. And at least her kids could now visit her in what time remains, without (correct me if I'm mistaken here) having to go through the gatekeepers of the evil corporation. Which seems to be a vast improvement over having her caged up in her house at HQ, even if she was to receive round-the-clock care from "Bless Patrol" robots. Anything on the "outside" has got to be better than being stuck in that Way hellhole...

dag-gummit I'm "Gambit".

Let's hope that bubble doesn't burst too soon. All those unshackled derbil spurts furiously descending back to earth would certainly be enough to spoil any fine afternoon. Speaking of weird theories, here's another flashback of an utterance I heard 1 or 2 times: that because Jesus' flesh was perfect, he could have remained gibbited on the cross indefinitely, his wounds healing day after day, had He not willed Himself to die. Sort of reminds me of Prometheus chained to a rock, getting his liver eaten by an eagle each day, with His wounds healing each night.

The third throne lies hidden among the hearts of His worshipers, where the Holy Spirit dwells. Just a wild guess.

"The Deep" being located outside the universe visible to us. The Universe being surrounded by water. That's a rather peculiar idea.

The only superhero I imagine in association with VPW (outside of "Rainbow Man," leading a train of the "Pastors of the Universe") is "The Flash", but the kind with a trenchcoat.

Paradiseden and Ex-10, Thank you so much for your thoughtful replies. I recall that I also accepted at one time the idea that if Jesus wasn't a human being - then it would be futile to imagine being able to do the works of a God. But then again, what if a human being truly holds that they have (the fullness of) God/Christ/Spirit living inside of them? Why would doing the works of Jesus seem more remote if thinking He was God Himself. That argument doesn't hold the same previous weight for me personally. But it's also been quite refreshing to also explore the question of Jesus being God outside of the usual slugfests of unitarians vs. trinitarians. Thank you. Danny

I'm intrigued that one of the common things people have held onto from PFAL: "JC is not God" Why? I'm curious, because I can think of no other Wierwillian doctrine that seemingly did more to demote the status of Jesus (next to the gospels containing Jesus' words not being for us) which may have contributed more leeway and opportunity for Wierwille toward propping himself up as "God" in Jesus' place. Personally I'm extremely cynical about VPW's true motives behind teaching this. And I don't speak at all as an adherent of the Trinitarian position or system (Jesus was taught and thought as God long before that formula came along, as I at least observe in the early Patristic literature). I'll confess to being the biggest oddball here, but I just don't "get" it, why folks continue to zealously stand upon this position. Okay, you can go back to ignoring me. ;)--> Danny

Might one's perception on the nature of God/Christ/Holy Spirit have an effect on the outcome of prayer/healings/miracles? Yes? No? Maybe? [This message was edited by TheInvisibleDan on January 18, 2004 at 17:50.]

ExWayDaryl - Enjoyed reading your ex-Way testimony. Danny [This message was edited by TheInvisibleDan on January 10, 2004 at 22:36.]

I behold the risen Wierwille endued in a glawriously sparkly white polyester suit with extremely wide lapels. He looks just like he did in "PFAL". With the same piercing, tinny voice and huge ratlike ears protruding from the sides of what would be his head. oops. the revelation got cut off. Someone else will have to pick it up from here...

"believers"... that's what "Wayfers" called themselves most of the time. As I recall correctly, that was used in place of "Christian". "believers" O the inanity. Danny

A question for those who may have been involved with the Way at the time (circ.1975): Did anyone happen to notice a decline in the frequency of healings, miracles and the like shortly following the release of "JCNG"? I'm curious. Thank you. Danny [This message was edited by TheInvisibleDan on January 04, 2004 at 3:45.]

Interesting insight Long Gone. Onstage he was that Mr. So-lid Goo-ber, hip, huma-nity-loving prea-cher guy. Offstage, yikes. Maybe he actually did have two personalities. "Dr. Wierwille and Mr.Hide" Danny

It's too late for VP. but while he draws breath, Martindale could still "redeem" himself. Note to LCM : get going, dude. For starters, some confessions and apologies to all those whom you've hurt and burned would be in order...

I think this forum is undergoing some "technical difficulties" this morning. Is anyone else running into problems navigating around the forums? And it looks as if we're trapped inside Zix's box! Danny

I agree with you that there can be a bit splitting of hairs when it comes to copyright laws. The past year's battle between Al Franken and Fox over the phrase "Fair and Balanced" comes to mind. However, if you're someone whose writing is also their livelihood, or even someone who has any serious aspirations or even illusions of becoming a writer - then copyright laws can be very good indeed. It's tough enough trying to make it as a writer, but it would totally impossible without copyright protection, if anything or everything you wrote was stolen by someone else, who removed your name and affixed their own to your work,and called it their own. They may not be perfect, but I'm thankful for copyright laws. They're not so "worldy" or "ungodly" if they are aimed at protecting authors and writers and artists against those who would "steal" from them, wouldn't you agree? I wonder how much income a J.E. Stiles or a B.G. Leonard lost over the years on account of that selfish thief in New Knoxville. Could he have at least had the decency to devote even so much a footnote to those gentlemen, so folks could have sought out their works, and give back a little bit to those from whom he received certain ideas? No, VPW even had the audacity at least on one occassion to assert that J.E. Stiles was an "angel" - no mention of his book from which he lifted so many paragraphs almost word for word. That kind of behavior is strikingly more "worldly" than all the copyright laws combined. It is said that Christians, if living according to the higher law of Christ, need not fret about worldly laws, if all the law is fulfilled by walking in love. If one walks in Christ, one will not steal, one will not murder, one will not screw their neighbor's wife. If you ask me, in observation of his actions, Wierwille didn't walk in love. I have a difficult time believing he was even a "Christian". If he was such a "Christian", living according to the higher law of Christ that doesn't diss the laws of the world, he wouldn't have stolen other peoples' material and called it his own, yes? Danny

God forgive me, but I've wondered, who was the poor chump I read about in one of those old "Heart" rags who ended up with a pencil getting shoved into his ear amidst the hugging and love-bombing following the close of a fellowship? I'm sorry , but my room mates and I laughed when we read that, with the late Gary Smith prophetically uttering, "You know, they're really getting bad..." Hope your ear is feeling better. Danny

Rafael and theEvan - Your remarks concerning B.G. Leonard's unusual views and especially the "Oneness Pentecostals" have proven quite fruitful. It's now very easy to see where Wierwille might have been initially exposed to (and subsequently picked up) many of his anti-Trinitarian ideas and arguments - from the modalist ideas in circulation among the Pentecostal movements (like that of William Branham), where naturally, he was accustomed to fishing for ideas on tongues and gifts of the Spirit. The modalistic ideas of the "Oneness Pentecostals" are quite fascinating indeed. A couple links of interest. From the Modalistic position: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/p...tal/One-Top.htm Against the Modalistic position: http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-modalism.htm A critique of William Branham and his Modalism - http://www.watchman.org/profile/branpro.htm William Branham sermons (textfiles): http://www.livingwordbroadcast.org/WBTextIndex/index.htm Thanks. Danny [This message was edited by TheInvisibleDan on December 21, 2003 at 3:10.]