TheInvisibleDan

I heard a few years ago that as he rode a roller coaster during a fashion shoot, Fabio's head collided with a seagull flying by. Fabio's noggin required a few stitches, but the seagull was not so fortunate. By mysterious process of transmigration, the spirit of the seagull filled the empty room of Fabio's mind. But that spirit was Satan. All who behold Fabio become the spawn of Fabio. Join us ye Way remnant - Bow to our feather-brained lord FABIO!

I don't know...but keep an eye on Ebay.

:)--> Well God may not have had a reason in particular, but the writers and subsequent editors of this material certainly must have had their reasons, i.e., to water down the more heretical ideas not in harmony with their own. A common opinion regarded for the occassion of writing "Laodiceans" is that such a letter is mentioned at the end of Colossians as having been sent to them.

It seems to me that Master Vic should have been familiar with the common scholarly opinion that "Ephesians" is indeed a "rewriting" of some kind, unless Pikes Peak University (PPU) didn't carry these sort of books. Not a very perceptive example for him to use for making a case against "rewriting" or redoing anything. I've seen the conclusions oft argued in many "NT introduction" volumes that Ephesians is a rewrite of Colossians, or vice-versa. It even had a different name attached to it in an earlier canon - "To the Laodiceans". It is generally categorized as "Deutero-Pauline" on the basis of style, sentence structure,and content, and assumed to have been penned not by Paul, but by a zealous fan who sought to take Pauline ideas up a notch.

Or he's decided to play it smart and not further discuss all the details relating to this matter online? I don't know.

If she does indeed have Alzheimers, it's quite possible that no one at HQ actually is able to sufficently care for her. If she's under the care of professionals elsewhere, she may very well be better off.

Lay-man.... Laid-man? hmmm... could be construed as something of a Freudian slip in the Way context. Or I have a dirty mind.

If, as the old saying goes, "It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings", they certainly appear to have outdone themselves with an entire herd of them. It's strange the way they hide their dowdy Casiotone keyboard players behind the shrubbery. And that guitar player must secretly yearn for an 80s band to unleash those generic licks.

Ex-10th, dealing with my own parents in their 80's, I'm finding this to be the case as well - I tend to think it's more a generational thing, I guess. My mother is finally opening up to the fact that she needs more help and assistance in dealing with my father ( whose memory is going), and is finally (with the prodding of my brother and I) opening up to exploring what programs are available. I can see the burden being lifted off her, that she doesn't have to deal with this situation herself. My father, on the other hand - he's ....ed, as if expecting my mother to wait on him hand and foot for another 50 years. Sorry old man, but she deserves to truly retire and enjoy her remaining time on earth as well. Danny

What's their secret recipe behind producing so many idiots? nah, scratch that...

A "DragonBall" instead of a "Melon Ball". It should be quite a celebration. Danny

Oh great, there goes my brain. Look on the bright side. We can heat a ham sandwich on our heads.

From "The Oxford Companion to the Bible" (edited by B. Metzger, M. Coogan, p.433-34, OUP, 1993), under the heading, "Leviathan": "A mythological sea monster who was one of the primeval adversaries of the storm god. In the Ugaritic texts, Baal defeats Lothan...described as a seven-headed serpent, apparently identified with Baal's adversary Prince Sea. In the Bible Leviathan is also identified with the Sea (Job 3.8) and has many heads ( Ps.74:14), and his defeat by God is a prelude to creation (Ps.74:15-17). According to apocalyptic literature, that battle will be rejoined in the end time when the evil Leviathan will be finally defeated (Isa.27:1; Rev.12:3; 17:1-14; 19:20; 21:1), and, according to later tradition, given along with Behemoth as food to the Elect (2 Esd.6:49-52)..." I'm sure you will discover much from any number of Bible dictionaries available. But darn if I understand where the alcoholic stuff came from. Sea = alcohol? Maybe someone was drunk when they came up with that one. Danny

I agree, a *** movie. What a whacky cast of criminals. A very "biblical" comedy. Danny

I tend to agree more with Jesus in His sermon on the mount that the Old Testament "eye-for-an-eye" thing is totally whacked, and perhaps would not be appropriately used toward our modern debate on the complex topic of abortion. And is the creation of the old man in Genesis really appropriate for those of us in the era of the "new man" created by Jesus? It seems more and more obvious to me that the problem isn't or has never been so much with the fetus, as it is with adults who don't weigh and own up to the responsibilities and consequences of their own actions, though I do lean toward the opinion that abortion should remain available for rape victims and those whose pregnancies in their cases endanger their own lives. Danny

A decent "creature feature" flick for a Saturday night. The zombies are certainly more robust in this presentation than the shuffling, lumbering ones in the original 1978 version. I give it 3 stars. UPDATE: I just watched the original 70s version the other evening. It's more humorous and goofier than the remake, which I now see (after having seen this for the first time as well) as having mimicked the jittery MTV camera style of the recent English zombie flick, "28 Days".

Perhaps many have also moved on to join new forums, like, for internet addiction. -->

That's a very interesting observation, Lightside, in view of the works that came out concerning the topic of Jesus' death and birth, as well as the planned "Harmony" of the gospels. Unfortunately, it seemed too little, too late, and an unwinnable battle, so long as the PFAL teaching of the 4 gospels being part of the Old Testament (which rendered the teachings of Jesus as not addressed to us) remained in place and unchallenged. Wierwille might have made a more significant impact upon his group and cleared away matters for the better had he the good sense to discard that unhealthy obstruction from the start. I mean, he could have gone on and on discussing where Jesus was born, and where He slept and where He ate, and where and how He died ,but it's all futile if the actual teachings of Jesus are not considered as having any weight of revelance or authority or application for one's life in the present. Without the teachings of Jesus, one might have just as well worshiped Mithra or Prometheus or any number of other magical-mystery saviors on a stick. Danny [This message was edited by TheInvisibleDan on March 13, 2004 at 14:00.]

I can't shake this certain sense of deja vu when browsing the discussions surrounding this movie. I admittedly have not seen it yet - I will at some point, I'm certain. Preferably on a day I choose not to eat anything. But in hearing of the extreme beatings and tortures in bloody, graphic detail that the Jesus in this movie undergoes, I can't help but think back on the Wayworld hoopla surrounding the release of "Jesus Christ Our Passover" a few years ago, in which speakers enthusiastically depicted the intense brutality to which Jesus was subjected (even getting sodomized by the Romans) - with one speaker (V**** F******) also going so far as to describe a beaten, mutilated Christ with his eye popped out of its socket and hanging out. Is it just me, or does anyone else here get that sense that we've heard all this "beat-the-Jesus-into-a bloody-hamburger" stuff before? In all fairness, perhaps my impressions are premature. But nonetheless, I find the parallels a bit weird, to say the least. Danny

I think Goey hit the nail on the head. Start a "Religious" or "Drive-by Prophets/Apostles/Teachers/Kooks" forum for all the "advanced" Way doctrinal/proselytizing mutations that emerge from the fallout. Danny

Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this more or less along the lines of what VP taught on "soul-life"? Though I can't recall precisely where he taught this (perhaps in Piffle?).

If Matt.27:52-53 is suspected to be an interpolation, then the question must at least be raised: why was it added? What compelled the editors to insert this material here? To specifically oppose the ideas relating to the doctrinal position of death as set forth in "Are the Dead Alive Now"? - that doesn't seem very likely or convincing. Nor do I find convincing the theory of this pertaining to bodies rolling out the graves due to an earthquake, which rather are described as "rising" and "going out of the tombs" and "entering into the holy city". Seems a lot of activity for rotten corpses.

I'm not a Wiccan myself. She was something of a nature loving "Witch" when I met her (a couple years after I left the Way), and I was progressing in the opposite direction of anti-world neo-Marcionism through my studies. Our religious/spiritual ideas couldn't be more radically different on the face of it. But we share the same ideals of trying to be good to everyone and to one another, wishing to bring no harm or injury to others. In that respect she lives up to, through her continual voluntary work through charities and soup kitchens and the Red Cross. Which is immensely inspiring for me personally. And when I think about it, this was much more than I could sadly say for the previous group we all experienced here. They never really inspired me to actually "give", outside of the fearful dogma wearing the clothing of Dale Carnegie, of a petty deity who would abandon his children to potential poverty and violence if they didn't fork over 10% to that week - not much of a Christian God of Love going on there, in my opinion. So mywife was refreshing to me. And yes, the only woman in the world crazy enough to actually marry me. Our differences seem to boil down to merely different or variant conceptions concerning the make-up of that realm invisible to us. Which hardly seems grounds for basing any marriage. Unless one wished to change their spouse into someone else other than the one to whom one was attracted originally. The futility to which I think many here already more than understand. So she prays to her goddesses, and I pray to my God. Almost 15 years later, - along with the inevitable ups and downs of any marriage - so far, so good. And no pesky mother-in-law who actually pop in unexpectedly out of thin air, and turn me into a frog or newt. No, her parents are actually Episcopalian, and they're sweet. There's quite a variety on both sides of our families. Pagans, Jews, Episcopalians, Catholics, Protestants, agnostics, gays, and least one neo-Marcionite and who-knows-what-else. And maybe one republican (in the closet). But it's not me. Danny [This message was edited by TheInvisibleDan on February 27, 2004 at 1:44.]

Yep, tapped into the intoxicating kegger of love. ;)--> Danny

Tom-who-is-strange - yes. she wears it every Halloween. And a Walt-Disney Goofy cap, with the dog ear flaps. She's so cute when wearing that that one. Danny