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Bolshevik - why are you here if you don't like the internet? And don't tell me you've never meandered through the net looking for information on anything. Or anyone. Because you found this place.

Wow. This 2017-2019 thread... is virtually word for word on the new late 2022 threads "Wierwille's Doctorate" and "Dr's Last Teaching." Everybody just says the same thing. I re-read the first 7 pages (of 24) on this thread - nothing new for or from anybody. You could say we're all consistent in what we now think.

And now, you'll probably have a go at me. You need your bottom spanking. Leastways, that would have happened, if anyone I knew as a kid who acted like you, would have got.

MIKE! SHUT UP! You are defending YOUR indefensible. YOU started this spat; please discontinue. In fact, didn't you somewhere in your spattergun posts promise to stop calling people Nazi Corps? Your entire post above is to insult Chocky, who pointed out YOUR naff post. So now you insult everything he wrote and writes. Everyone's getting just a bit tired of this. As you may well have been told as a child: Be polite, or be quiet. If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing.

Nobody is confused but you, Mike. Sad when your rose-coloured PFAL glasses are so cloudy that you can't separate truth from error. The rest of us took off those glasses long ago and have been gaining improved vision ever since.

On another thread,Rocky wrote: Been thinking this for a while, and some of you may not agree, but for those who keep picking up on Mike's outrageous and ludicrous claims (which occasionally includes me) - do you think perhaps you are harming Mike? Because the more he persists in defending the indefensible, the more he is pushed into that place that he feels compelled to keep on saying what he says. He hasn't time to process what's said because he spends that time "defending." Doubtful if leaving him alone for a while will change his mind, but it might stop him getting worse, more deeply entrenched.

Crikey, I go out for the day and come back to find five pages of increasing hilarity. It's been a laugh a post from p.38 onwards. Can't even begin to answer any of what's written for the tears of laughter rolling down my face.

FWIW, I don't think I Mike got "involved" with the girls or molested any of them. He was, like many of us, attracted by their enthusiasm and vibrancy,their passion. Don't think it was sexual attraction, but could be confused with that.

(Love it when we get newer people and they bump up some of the older threads )

Hardly. Hardly "joy in service." Any one of us, or any believer, should be able to point out significant things and themes in a Bible. But "teaching" is not "service." Teaching is teaching. Or in this case, pushing propaganda. VPW was (supposedly) talking about the joy OF service. I wonder if these teachers were also supposed to clean the place, set out chairs, make the coffee, clean the toilet, etc as well? That would be more "service" than teaching. But really, Mike, the JOY OF SERVICE is in actually helping, doing things, for people. Without the supposed kudos of "teaching" or "look at me" moments. Blessed are the meek and humble, Mike. The ones who just get on quietly doing things in the background. The overlooked ones, the ones who notice something and fix it without making a fuss. The ones who wash dishes, pick things up off the floor, help those who can't walk easily, find food for the hungry, and such like. Please pay attention. Please.

My lord! I dipped into a page at random (32 I think) and found this. I hadn't realised that CSBP was also God-breathed. (My bad!) There seemed to be quite a spat between Mike and Oldies (and others) about it. Still think that, Mike?

When I was sent out out Lightbearers one year, no team (each consisting of about 3 or 4 pairs) got a class together - we had to get 7 people, and start a class, within two weeks, leaving the further running of the class to local believers, who were not allowed to be involved in the witnessing. Got back, no classes started, we all got threatened with being thrown out of the WC. But actually we got sent out again to different areas. Second time was a bit more fruitful (?). Only good thing about this whole set-up was the escape from HQ for a couple of weeks.

I've heard this said before, but where is the information or evidence, WW? You weren't there at the time; who reported it?

Yep, you'd think after 20 years everyone would know what a fraud it is. (Everyone except one person already does know that.)

Reportedly. At his burial.

See, his emphasis is "serving up" something - not "serving" people. He wants to give people his message. To "serve it up" to them. He doesn't want to seriously help (or "serve") people by doing things that help, like feeding them, giving them clothes or other practical help. Yet another of those subtle shifts of emphasis in the bait-and-switch line. Faith and Works (James 2) 14What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith, but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you tells him, “Go in peace; stay warm and well fed,” but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that? 17So too, faith by itself, if it does not result in action, is dead.

Oh, don't you just pity those people who only have a Bible to read, and then go out and do as it says? Give to the underprivileged, comfort the afflicted, help those less fortunate. Great Christian charities that are set up to help widows and orphans. Churches that get involved in their communities. Organisations that help trafficked people, prostitutes, enslaved folk in other countries. Such extraordinary people and organisations only have the gospels and the epistles - oh, and the examples from the OT - oh, and the gift of holy spirit, but let's not talk about that - to guide their actions. Such failures! They really need the collaterals! And that's not to mention the zillions of people, non-Christian and otherwise, including Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists, etc, who have the joy of service as part of their own expressions of faith. And those who just have an innate sense of service and helping others, in so many ways: doctors, teachers, and yes, even the lowliest - road sweepers, etc.

He was criticising anyone who tried to move grads off the truth of the Word (as taught by TWI).

And here is the same song in the original Ukrainian.

Deut 27:17 “Cursed is anyone who moves their neighbor’s boundary stone.” Then all the people shall say, “Amen!” Do you remember in PFAL where he went on about that meaning not just physical boundaries, but the boundaries of the mind? VPW's porn movies, the bad language, LCM's overripe descriptions of what homosexuals do, the hugs and touching at twig (introductory) level - all designed to move the boundaries of one's mind. All a bit of priming, here and there, for what might "be available" later.

Okay, I'm minded to start a brand new thread (again) and repeat my Empathy post. Perhaps we can all leave the first page and a half to Mike for his ruminations. And then we can all jump in. And Mike. No one great long screed. Anything you post will be in small chunks. Bite-size. If you want to make a long post, break it up. Like: Answer ONE paragraph with ONE OR TWO paragraphs of your own. Then move to your next post. And no bloody jargon or fake terminology, either, Mike. Anybody up for this?

You've given him enough, OS. He listens not to you, to the Bible, to words of wisdom from other posters. As the saying goes, "There's none so blind as those who will not see."

OldSkool, I really wonder why Mike has to compare collateral with collateral. I don't care how many edits are made. In Christian terms, what is the relevance? The importance? How does it actually result in any improved Christian walk? So what if it redeems the filthy Way Ministry from dense jet black to a slightly less opaque smokier black? Isaiah 42:6“I, the LORD, have called you for a righteous purpose, and I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and appoint you to be a covenant for the people and a light to the nations, 7to open the eyes of the blind, to bring prisoners out of the dungeon and those sitting in darkness out from the prison house. Does it say anything about those sitting in darkness sitting in less darkness? Anything about those abandoned in an oubliette (look it up) being transferred to a less stinky underground cell? No - the Lord wants his people out of darkness altogether. Comparing collateral versions is simply busy-work to avoid actually doing something productive. Like studying his Bible and doing things based on it - helping the unfortunate, looking after the sick, looking out for his neighbours - even, it appears, loving God. Of course, I could be wrong. If there's a verse that says "study the collaterals to show yourself approved unto God" then I must be stuffed. But I understand 2 Tim 2:15 to mean rather different things. https://biblehub.com/2_timothy/2-15.htm Comparing bull--- to heifer--- is just busy-work. A bum job, you might say.

This truly is one of the most laughable posts that Mike has ever contributed. No footnotes, and "lack of pointers" to error-ridden outside sources protects new students from error??????? "Why expose new students to error?" Why, indeed, Mike. Great idea. Let's completely can all versions of PFAL. That would be a great protection. I'm not even going to try to pick apart all the other ridiculous statements.