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That's what the legal system is all about. Challenging one person's version of events against another's version, looking at different versions. Everyone gives it their best shot. Eventually, a conclusion is reached based on all the known, established, facts. The conclusion will likely disappoint at least one party. Sometimes, later facts come to light, such as DNA evidence that exonerates a perpetrator when such evidence was previously not available. Or a principal witness confesses to having lied. Or the missing person or object turns up. Etc, etc. Mike, would you suggest that such evidence should not be considered? And the previous conclusion (even though based on best available evidence) voided, if later evidence points to a different conclusion? (That's a rhetorical question; I don't expect - and don't want - an answer, though I'd be very concerned if your answer was not, "Yes, of course the later evidence should be considered.")

Nice to see you, Belle. Its been a long time.

The older I get, the less I seem to know. And yet, surprisingly, the wiser I get. We can get far too hung up on always being right. Relax a little. Take the pressure of "always being right" off. Permit yourself to be wrong, or to not know. Explore, and allow yourself to be interested, maybe intrigued, maybe surprised, by what you find.

Thought this was worth discussion. Not quite sure in which forum to place it. Seems to link well with some recent threads here. From my Facebook feed today.

Love the car/Just got Excommunicated photo. The little heart shapes, LOL! Go Utah!

Not to mention, a planet stuffed full of nice things useful to a human being, like food, drink, etc. Also, rivers and mountains, forests, animals, fish. And then, a sun and a moon. And a few stars. (Okay, a few billion of those.) You get the gist. None of these seems to me to be particularly intangible "holy spirit" but on the contrary, very physical objects. So, working backwards, would that make God some sort of objective, solid, tangible, entity? Because if God can only give what he is, something solid, tangible, then God too must be objectively viewable, solid and tangible, no?

You guys are "playing in tongues," right? I don't understand a word you're saying. OldSkool's guitar solo sounded pretty good, though.

Video about a couple who were raised Mormons but left when he tried to deal with his gender dysphoria issue. Shaye and Amanda Scott. Very relatable.

That was awesome - awesomely AWFUL! Who do they expect to listen to this? Got through the first 58s, fast forward to the guitar solo, then jumped out. As awful as that bizarre dance routine a while back.

777. PFAL might suck. But the Bible doesn't suck.

Start something new, then. Perhaps iin Open. Maybe Mike won't go there.

I think we have it now, with these "grads" that Mike claims to be in contact with. And "witnessing" to. He's led us to think that these are PFAL-class "grads." They're not. They're these college graduates that he associated with in this random community group. And his witnessing is "once a year" - see his posts above - so perhaps once a year he emails them (maybe at Christmas or Easter?) en masse - or maybe sends a Christmas card - and slips in something about Christ not being born in December but Sept/October; or that Jesus was crucified with two others either side and not the traditional three (in actually, there were probably dozens crucified at the same time; that's the way the Romans terrorised the locals). That would seem to encapsulate his MO so far, and might be the truth of what Mike's "outreach" activities are. But Mike, do correct me if I'm wrong.

Nearly there, Mike. But it's actually "odd that no one ever connected “ecclesiastical bodies” with the Way MINISTRY. " (Ministry should be in " ".) That's if one dare call TWI an "ecclesiastical bodt."

Mike: "Most professors will read a well written and concise letter or text. I have had a lot of luck doing that." Hey, how about doing that here? Making your posts "well written and concise"? That way, maybe we could all benefit. You might not get so many attacks, and everyone else might begin to understand what you're saying.

It may not cause further harm that person, if they've spent decades immersed in it and haven't come to grief so far (= haven't been misled into committing crimes, or harmed themselves physically). It may cause a lot of harm to other people, if the person so immersed insists on foisting this fake material onto unsuspecting victims. Whilst many will have the sense to see it for what it is, there are always those who are more vulnerable for whatever reason, and who may fall for such claptrap. Maybe they won't fall for it as badly as we all did (to a greater or lesser extent), because there isn't the same reinforcing network of "twigs" to support and reinforce the con.

Did your 20 years of deep study of these collaterals lead you to discover where they, or at least the better ones of them, were plagiarised from? Or did that information get "filtered" out? Not sure why something so perfect would need to be re-written, but that's by-the-by (=immaterial, Mike. Don't bother "answering" this point).

What the F does this mean?

I read this thread for its amusement value.

Good one, So_ crates.

From the Wikipedia entry for this man: Mastriano himself has said that he did not grow up in a "strong Christian family", but was led to embrace religion as a teenager by an "on-fire youth pastor" after being invited to a youth group called "The Way".[20] ... He worships at a Mennonite church, likely a Conservative Mennonite Conference church.[20][207] Mastriano has attended events of the New Apostolic Reformation, a movement advocating the restoration of the offices of so-called "prophets and apostles".[208][7] He appears to have some rather strange current beliefs. You're welcome to him. He doesn't seem an outstanding "ambassador for Christ," despite being allegedly evangelical. (Of course, that word has its own special meaning, nothing to do with true evangelism, in the USA.)

Too true. The report doesn't include the smearing of "suppressive persons" (aka those M&A'd) but it would be no surprise if that went on.

This popped into my FB feed today. Might be of interest to some here. You can watch online; a modest fee is payable. John Stott London Lecture 2022 | LICC

Or... In short, you missed all the trouble areas and missed a lot of unique learning experiences. And that's why you can't hear what others say about the real TWI. Did it ever occur to you to study the Bible? In 20 years studying just the gospels or the OT or the epistles, you could really have learned something.

And did they also give you the keys to the city? And did you heal someone of a withered arm brain on the way out?

For a minute or two up at the top of page 20, I thought Mike was developing a real sense of humour.