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Well, I would surmise that complaining about things that happened 20-30 years ago, now, doesn't help much of that, in any event.

I don't know about you but knowing that the dead are not alive now and have scriptural confirmation comforts me much.Don't know about knowledge alone building character. You are probably correct there. If you believe we were short on love and good works, that's a debatable point in and of itself. But why do you knock mastering and studying the Word to make your point? Personally, I wish I had access to this knowledge in twi when I went to the RC church!!

Rascal you are a piece of work.I personally attest to it. I remember sending him a letter very shortly after taking PFAL (1973), and getting a written answer shortly thereafter! A few months later, I personally asked him a question about WOW (this was in late 1973 at a camp) and he answered it. I think you demonstrate that your views are so corrupted, slanted and biased. You don't know everything that went down but yet "ye think" ye speak for everyone. Ptoewee

Mr. Hammeroni, You make it sound like its something evil or shameful to master and study the scriptures. I never really thought about why VP omitted those words "ye think" in that verse. Of course, if folks were really that concerned about it, they always had the option to ask, at that time, while he was alive. I actually don't know why they were omitted. Perhaps someone from the research dept. or someone else has an answer to that, who may have asked why.

Rascal you said these: Gee Rascal, it sounds like you are very confused about your brothers and sisters hearts and commitments while in twi. I think your corrupted ever-unrelenting evil thinking of Victor and the BOT has filtered down even to the twig level where folks did have pure hearts and motives...sigh

But our hearts were on worshipping God and moving the Word, so we couldn't have been all that bad. I see now that we missed the mark on worshipping Jesus, but it wasn't out of hate or malice, just not enough right teaching on the subject.

Cynic please check your private messaging.

No email after 15 minutes. I'll check back tonite or tomorrow.

Thanks for letting me know. I will register under another name.

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Oh darn I missed it.

He smoked too much.

Oakspear, Care to share what your debt was? :D--> I am currently in about $9,000 worth of debt to Discover Card, which seems like a lot, but I have a zero interest rate. I pay it off monthly and the deal they gave me is better than a bank. Credit cards are great, but you must know how to control them, rather than them controlling you.

I do remember having huge questions about tithing in the '80's. I wrote letters to headquarters, LCM, limb of NY. I got a long answer from John Schoenheit of the research dept. and also from limb of NY. LCM sent his letter to the research dept. The answer I got from the research dept. didn't satisfy me, really, but the response wasn't "hold it in abeyance", and it wasn't something that I was about to leave twi for. I could always not tithe and still attend twig, which I did for years.

I think "holding it in abeyance" was/is a very good option when one doesn't have an answer to a biblical problem. I submit that back in the good 'ol days, if one had an answer, and it didn't match twi and/or one couldn't live with twi's answers, one may simply leave if they couldn't live with twi's version, or never get involved in the first place, which describes many.

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Well there goes the Word hacked up in little pieces. :)--> :D-->

He is really THIS!!

Free PFAL segments on the Net.

Well that's it then, I just KNEW that s.o.b. wouldn't show up. :D-->

Goey, best I come up with right now is that "godly fear" means something far different than fear.I do admit that I understand and still believe VP's version of fearing God as meaning reverance and respect. Different from "fear", which I liken to a mouse running away from a cat. In contrast, godly fear is having awe and reverence for God, but not wanting to flee from him, like a mouse would fear a cat, or like a lamb would fear a lion. I see God as a God of love, and as such wants us to come boldly to him, not see him as a killer we are to run from.

I still don't know what we are supposed to be afraid of. God has sanctified us in Christ. Justified us in Christ. Made us righteous in Christ. We are accepted in the beloved. There is nothing to fear. We are already seated in the heavenlies.

Nice memorial Eagle.

Hi Jim Happy Birthday.You said you made a stand against him when he went back on his word? May I ask, why did you remain with the ministry after that? I don't see you EVER taking a stand against him when he was alive. At least a meaningful one. To the contrary, did you not later become the limb leader of Maine, and stay for many years? Additionally, according to The Cult That Snapped, you knew Wierwille had many women. But all these things may not have bothered you all that much back then.