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Tom, the way you write, twi could simply have a program and you'd blame them if something goes wrong in the participation of that program because someone was harmed. If it wasn't hitchhiking, it be driving cars and falling asleep, then you'd blame twi. When something goes wrong in twi, blame twi. Do you ever blame the devil, our spiritual adversary, for evil happenings? or does it always have to be twi? Who do you blame today when something does wrong? At least you can't blame twi now, but who knows, maybe you do find a way?

Not only design, but action, is required. twi took action... WOWs took action, Corps took action. Special thumbs up for do-ers. It's not the critic that counts Press On - No matter what they say to you Theodore Roosevelt

George, I see you may need to get out of the house more. I do do it. I just don't witness... but I go door to door in my cooperative when comes time to vote for the BOD. I ask shareholders for their proxies. Got 28 last month, out of 104 units. :)

Assuming then your position is that the program should have been discontinued, yeah, I disagree. Golly, I thought you were going to give advice on how to do it better; not discontinue it.

Doojable, I just think they were following a different path. I think they looked at these incidents as the adversary ripping us off, and saying "we aren't stopping our training program because we do not admit defeat to the adversary." If they stopped hitchhiking, they would be admitting that the adversary won in that situation and stopped the corps from training individuals to abandon their fear of hitchhiking and confidence building ...something that the corps wasn't about. The corps was about pushing the envelope, as you well know. As crazy as that logic and concept may sound today, I don't see any evil in that. It was part of doctrine of twi and we all bought into it at the time. Today I wouldn't do it. Today, I wouldn't go into the special forces of U.S., I wouldn't and couldn't hack it. But at 18 years old, it might have been an exciting adventure.

Wordwolf, your assessment here is pretty good, although I definitely wouldn't say that results (crimes) don't matter. I am curious though, what would be your solution for the next time WOWs were sent out door to door? (this situation seems exciting to me, allowing one to believe God while going door to door, a challenge, no doubt, in any neighborhood)

David, I'm glad you got what you wanted but had it been me making the decision, I would have upheld the requirement to hitchhike for everyone. Or else let everyone drive. Why are you so special? Otherwise, if one is too timid or lazy to hitch, then stay home. The way I see it (and perhaps this was their thinking as well) if folks can't believe to hitch a ride they can't believe to climb rocks. Of course David you proved that you could drive and still climb rocks. I'm glad you had a profitable time.

Waysider, I do equate our men & women of twi who performed exploits like WOW and corps as making selfless sacrifices and having godly conviction. And I give a special thumbs up to those who performed these feats, without whining and b*tching about it. And I do agree, the fact that some were victimized in the process doesn't excuse the victimizers. We just seem to disagree on who those victimizers were at certain times and incidents, which is ok with me.

Tom, I just don't buy the logic. (or illogic). I don't mean to be cold, although I'm sure you'll express it that way, but I believe that if Top didn't want to hitch, she shouldn't have entered the corps. She should have researched her time/investment, found out exactly what was expected before entering. True enough, one does look like a wuss when one is there and tries to back out, so that was a no-no as Top mentioned. Accordingly had TWI stopped folks from hitchhiking and instead had them drive cars & trucks, some posters would assess blame if someone fell asleep at the wheel. TWI will always be wrong in some posters' minds, because some mindsets are to accuse and assess blame at every opportunity. Twi is always wrong, in these posters' hearts and minds. Twi didn't facilitate the crime. Again, I blame those who committed the crime. How about blaming the adversary as you blame twi? Or maybe you don't believe in the devil any more?

Doojable, thanks for your opinions and insight. I will consider them.

I would have felt terrible, but I wouldn't have blamed twi. I would have blamed the perpetrators of the crime. And as Top pointed out, this type of thing could have happened in or out of twi. Twi did not perpetuate this crime... they facilitated Top to strive to be her best in the corps, I believe that was the heart behind the corps.... not her having evils befall her. You say we all need to find compassion and mercy, but you yourself show little if none toward your twi brethren, so who are you to preach? Depends on the facts of the situation.

Turn on defroster? Don't know what you mean. I think the only defroster I own is in the microwave when I defrost meat.

Please don't put words in my mouth, Watered Garden. Drugs are always wrong. I've consistently held the position that those who were narcotized were victims.

Folks who are able to tolerate opinions other than their own have no problem with my posts.

I think the opposite is the case. Some posters have the unrelenting mindset for blaming twi for most everything bad that happened to a participant, while in twi. TWI is always guilty, or nearly always guilty. It is always their fault. Well, I think that mindset is skewed, biased, unmerciful, and unChristian, and I am glad I think differently.

A respectible mission for all of us.

I might offer the same challenge -- see how far your perpetual allegations of alleged crimes at the hands of twi implementing its corps program go in a court of law.

One question I ask would be: How noble is it to sue for something one has willingly accepted? I would opine that that would indicate a total lack of responsibility and/or of owning up to one's own decisions and actions, on the part of the suer. Finger pointing blame. It's always someone else's fault, in this case twi.

What they're writing today is pretty interesting.

Victim mentality communication gobbledygook. Stay home and be safe.

And then you have something else to blame twi for. *clears throat*

QT, I can't speak for Johniam, but I need the facts of a particular situation first before giving an opinion. Regarding hitchhiking, I personally do not believe hitchhiking was particularly dangerous in and of itself. I suppose it can prove to be dangerous if something goes amiss, just like anything else. It can be dangerous driving a car, or just walking down the street, depending on the circumstances. Being in the world, one may die or suffer consequences in a whole host of different ways and means. I think just because an act may be perilous, or risky, doesn't necessarily mean one shouldn't try it ... but again, that's for the individual to decide. But in the corps folks couldn't make up their own rules and knew that going in. It was/is a training program... designed to challenge and expand one's abilities.

But you still had a choice, to hitchhike, or not to hitchhike and go home. The corps had some downright challenging stuff. Lots of us spiritual partners knew that it was intense training, which was why we financially supported folks like you who agreed to do it. But don't tell me you were forced please ... you had a choice.

VMP is Victim Mentality Propaganda, a mindset that you and some others engage in repeatedly, against all that is twi. Portray everyone as helpless victims of Wierwille and twi. That's it, in a nutshell. Wordwolf, because of your corrupt and hateful thinking of all that is twi, your analysis is biased, and your hatred continues to corrupt you.

Evil thoughts and ways are intricately part of your thoughts and emotions which is why that is all you see. This is your own personal bias. Ooodles of folks did fine without going corps and were thought of as God's best. You are off the wall ... manufacturing a supposed reality that didn't exist except in your own mind and perhaps some others. Ooops I shouldn't think that was a lie should I. :o