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Could also be a derogatory way of expressing the biblical concept of doulos.

I will continue to give quotes but I don't wanna give away the time period just yet. :) Yes of course humans are the main characters.

Referring to the Third Heaven and Earth, basically. I think what you and I did according to his Word, in twi, will not be forgotten. Even if it seems now like we threw our time and money down the drain. No. God keeps the score and the game isn't over.

You may believe it is B.S., but you know what, we just don't know yet. Everything hasn't been played out. I think we all may be very surprised what God has in store for all of us.

Nah.

I didn't say YOU did, I was expressing an opinion about something CW wrote.

You can continue to put blame twi, but consider that you used twi to tranquilize your own personal dissatisfaction with yourself. I did to.

I have to admit, it does sound like I may be whitewashing and dismissing the evil of twi. But honestly I really don't mean to do that. While considering this issue, I can't help but think of the religion of my youth, and so many many folks still adhere to the benefits of it, even though I never appreciated it ... and now I say "to each his own". I can't point fingers and condemn others for wanting to adhere to an imperfect system, like the religion of my youth, or twi. If it ultimately brings them some benefits, I say to each his own.

It may all depend on ones outlook ... for example, there is much benefit and beauty in this world. But if all one does is magnify the illness, murder, rape, death, destruction of the world ... one can't appreciate the beauty. The evil dominates.

This isn't about anyone being bad in some way, but then you go and condemn twi for "capitalizing upon personal dissatisfaction". It was us who were part of the preaching and teaching. "We" did that. Golly, if you call that capitalizing on others' dissatisfaction, it sounds like we were being bad in some way.

Look in the book of Acts ... folks made Christianity an exciting adventure for themselves... folks had goals and dreams and they acted out on them, with urgency. Life like that isn't always safe... but can be more exciting than the day to day mundane events of some. To each his own.

I don't often disagree with Johniam but here I must respectfully do so. :o ;) We had choices in twi, and if one volunteered, it was one's choice. If one freely availed, one freely availed. TWI at one time was very serious about its message and if one agreed with and volunteered to communicate that message, it was that individuals' choice. The way I see it, and I feel strongly about this ... twi didn't own anybody any more than the person allowed them to. If one jumped in head first that was their choice and shouldn't be degraded because that choice was to communicate the things of God to others. But I also received much benefit from sweet fellowship with others.

It is scriptural and godly when one looks at it from the eyes of Jesus, or Paul, or some of the other great men and women of God who envision and hope for the future. Paul even went on to say that the time is short, and they that have wives, go on as though they had none. We used to call it the urgency of the times in twi. I don't see anything wrong with that as one's commitments override some others. It is an individual choice. As far as some feeling they were deceived and manipulated in twi, my response to that would be, if Christianity is a hoax, then we've all been hoodwinked pretty good. If Christianity is not a hoax, then twi helped me to see some present and future events with more urgency than I had seen them before.

No, but nice try.

Thanks for that information What the Hay. Lots of stuff to consider and process.

I support the right for folks to read and consider an unpopular position like the revisionist literature without having to apologize for doing so, and without being labelled anti-semitic and neo-nazi. Thank God we live in America. This stuff is banned in Germany and Israel.

Wordwolf, I guess you can't help spinning. I don't know where Allan stands on his beliefs regarding this topic, he can speak for himself, but I've stated that I don't know quite what to believe regarding the holocaust. I support reading all the books, to get all viewpoints. I support someone reading the books from twi, to get the revisionist view. But that's not the same as endorsing the books as truth, or the same as being a neo-nazi or anti-semite. If you think it is, that's your problem. I support free speech and the freedom to read and consider opposition viewpoints. Please don't misrepresent my position. What I DO think is that there's an existing propaganda machine that uses the holocaust issue as propaganda, to have Americans fork over billions of dollars to Israel every year.

Of some.

Lifted up, not quite ... together with disputing the 6 million number, the books give facts and opinions for advancing the idea that the deaths were caused by reasons other than genocide. The Thirteenth Tribe advances the idea that some modern Jews came from the Khazars, not from one of the 12 tribes. That idea has not been proven false. What has been proven false is to say that ALL OF TODAYS JEWS or ALL ASHKANAZI JEWS are from the Khazars. That has been disproven, thru DNA as Wordwolf said.

Gaslight!

I have a load of cassette tapes and could probably part with some of them. What is the offering price?