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Garth, ha! Thanks for the laugh. :) On a serious note, I really don't know what your problem is... but if you don't like the content of a post, nobody is forcing you to read it. How many times must you be informed that this issue stands or falls on its own, regardless of the views of Victor Paul Wierwille? Please quit your repeated accusations of supposed Wierwille apology/worship.

Their book "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" was a good book. I am not a member of the John Birch Society but since John invoked them in context of anti-semitism, here is a response, for Greasespot perusal:

John, I've done some studying of John Birch Society materials over the years, and they are adamantly opposed to anti-semitic literature and they believe they've been falsely accused of being anti-semitic. Can you provide some written examples of their so-called anti-semitism?

Linda Z and dmiller, what is the problem with posting varying information and let the reader decide whether to believe it or not? I have no problem with folks posting pro-Zionist or anti-Nazi information, and I welcome it. Why not welcome revisionist information, as well? I am very thankful ... a debate such as this is banned in some other countries...

Yes. There was a time way back "in the good old days of twi :) " when they left the words of that hymn alone. That was my favorite song from PFAL camp in 1973.

Safari, Do you remember the following twi song, or was this before your time? ’Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, And to take Him at His Word; Just to rest upon His promise, And to know, “Thus says the Lord!” Refrain Jesus, Jesus, how I trust Him! How I’ve proved Him o’er and o’er Jesus, Jesus, precious Jesus! O for grace to trust Him more! O how sweet to trust in Jesus, Just to trust His cleansing blood; And in simple faith to plunge me ’Neath the healing, cleansing flood! Refrain Yes, ’tis sweet to trust in Jesus, Just from sin and self to cease; Just from Jesus simply taking Life and rest, and joy and peace. Refrain I’m so glad I learned to trust Thee, Precious Jesus, Savior, Friend; And I know that Thou art with me, Wilt be with me to the end.

That is exactly what he wrote in his letter, which was called "carnal" by some of those who had no problem when Dr. Wierwille wrote the same, and in even stronger terms. What is more, the most vocal accusers of Craig's so-called carnality, were at the same time devoted to and giving obedience and support to Rev. Geer. *snort* *gag* *belch* on that pastrami

The terminology Craig used was "godly, loving, honest obedience and support according to God's Word and nothing beyond that ..." Good Lord, there is NOTHING wrong or carnal in that... in fact, it is quite admirable and godly, especially rendering that godly support to those who one stands with for a united, godly purpose, as we had. Heck, even rendering that kind of obedience and support to an employer wouldn't be carnal. Part of my job, every day, is to give obedience and support to my employer. So if that action is carnal, then I guess I practice carnality every day? ... Bayloewnay... folks. :)

I pdf'd it to myself, and it's not a very good copy. The original is not very good ... some words can't be read well. Plus it has some writing on it, some underlined sentences, some written words, and so forth. I guess I could white out what I can of the added script, re-pdf it to myself, and send it to whoever wants a copy...

Skyrider, on this point, you are correct. Lots of us oldtimers "from way back in those good old days of twi :) " know that it came from Dr. Wierwille. Even Craig himself wrote this, in his letter of April 14, 1989 addressed to the Staff Believers. Some must have forgotten what was what, but here's an excerpt: Craig correctly pointed out the folly of some who were calling his actions Carnal... yet, they themselves fully accepted it, when Dr. Wierwille did the exact same thing years before. Anyway Skyrider, do you have the letter by Dr. Wierwille, dated May 1977, addressed to Way Corps grads and students, that addresses this topic? I have it... perhaps if I get the ambition I will retype its contents for Greasespot perusal...

Maybe it was. Lots of times, folks create their own heaven or hell, depending on their own beliefs and choices.

For Greasespot Perusal:

Would someone please unchain Raffy from his computer so he doesn't have to waste time reading this stuff?

Here is the third installment of the revisionist "Holocaust 101" series, for Greasespot perusal:

No. By definition, racist groups do not welcome representatives of every race, to participate. TWI did/does...

Golly, wonder what it is about the DOCTRINE that may cause all of this sinning?

Here's what "Myth" says about Hoess:

Here is a continuation of revisionist thought/data: Zgram -- "Holocaust 101" -- Part II

Garth, please feel free to make your points, but without your personal insults please? Fair enough, I might not have been as exposed/involved/interested in this topic, had Dr. Wierwille not had those books in the twi bookstore... Just like I might not have been as exposed/involved/interested in the works of Bullinger, Kenyon, Stiles, Leonard, and so forth. I have already explained what my motives/concerns are, in previous posts. But in the final analysis, the information must itself stand or fall on its own, independent of the works of VP Wierwille.

Abigail, there are others, but the study of this man's works may be among the most informative: Paul Rassinier

Abigail, You are free to form whatever conclusions you wish to, from the information posted. As I have suggested in previous posts, I think Zionism and its promotion may prove to be a destructive idea for the U.S., costly in money and lives; ... and if this information alerts us to a purported Zionist Lobby who is helping to form U.S. opinion/policies, it may be worth further examination by all of us. Even if the "six million" is all true, the propaganda of it and subsequent U.S. actions therefrom, is a concern to me. I think it is worth examining all sides. Feel free to post yours.

The examination is a work in progress. Why do I have to be loyal to one side or another? I am simply examining information. You are free to do likewise.

Thought I would post some interesting revisionist thought/data, for Greasespot perusal: Zgram- "Holocaust 101" - Part I

There are eyewitnesses on both sides. If you read some of the revisionist books, they quote many writings of direct eyewitnesses. Most of the believable information from Jews themselves (and these Jews are not neo-Nazis). That is what makes this topic so controversial.

I have mixed emotions about this. On the one hand, yeah, one should distance oneself from all of this. On the other hand, I respect folks wanting to get out "the truth" or true facts as they see them and it doesn't hurt hearing some of this stuff or being vigilant. But I do not necessarily equate all revisionist thinkers (for instance, like Carto, Butz, & CO.) with extremists and neo-nazis. I see them as Americans who want to get what they perceive to be the truth, "out there." Because these revisionists want to get the truth out there, they are labelled as neo-Nazi. The labelling isn't necessary and I think may be dangerous and grossly unfair. I would rather let the facts they are communicating, speak for themselves. If you have evidence that these people are neo-Nazis, feel free to share it.