oldiesman

Was he spoken to recently that we know of?

Sure, here is his phone number: Just kidding. I really don't know, but I assume he can be found if someone really wanted to. Since you knew Donna, maybe you can call hq first and ask to speak with her, or ask her to forward a message to him, or else ask someone else in the Way of the USA to forward your message to him, if they know where he is? Perhaps you can write a letter to the Way of the USA asking if it's possible to forward a letter to Craig? I have no idea, I'm just throwing out suggestions.

No problem, I am not offended... :)

I got some of the same answers myself and I tried that concept, and when I proved it to myself that it didn't work (tithing), as taught by Dr. Wierwille, I no longer applied it in my life. That part of his teaching was error, to me. But I have no complaints about it now, because I tried it and eliminated the concept when it didn't work for me.

Depends on what behavior you are talking about. His godly behavior that produced real fruit seems like it would agree with PFAL. On the other hand I can't find anything in PFAL that would condone adultery, heck that may have been surmised by some, but wasn't taught in PFAL. He should have made an emphasis of it in Christian Family & Sex. One man, one woman just wasn't enough, obviously.

And if someone believed what was taught, yeah, that was probably the case. You believed it, so what is the problem? You allowed it in your life. Pretty hard to blame someone else for that isn't it? You or I could have walked away anytime. Sometimes I did. At varying points in my twi stint, I didn't go to twig for months at a time...

Since nobody that we know of has confronted Craig lately maybe he isn't filled with all the rage he's supposed to have. This big bad monster you portray him as may not be at all.

Coolwaters, anytime you want to discuss a matter or ask me questions about my life, or just chat, I'll be happy to converse with you privately in a PM. That may be true but that has nothing to do with me, or me stating my opinions on this forum. Maybe, maybe not. Women said no to Craig as well, so that could have been available in other instances as well. Depends on the facts. I also think some women could have wanted to have sex with him. Enjoyed it even. Depends on the facts in the situation. Statements such as these is why I have unbelief with some statements that are posted. It is such a blanket one-size-fits-all accusation, about a whole group of people and their supposed experiences many of which you have no knowledge of, that it is unbelievable on its face. Your theory is based on no facts, just fiction. Why even surmise it?

Will these cheap shots never cease?

Craig may or may not have repented, but the person who is still wounded on the inside who may need to hear from Craig's own mouth that he was wrong, would do good to try to contact the man and have a heart to heart discussion with him; ... as Craig may be totally oblivious to pain someone else may be experiencing on account of him...

Thanks Jonny. Your fairness and logic is exemplary.

Love you too Belle And Coolwaters

I fully agree Jonny. I'm a little surprised the word is allowed to be used so freely here judging the proven good sense of the moderators. Golly, even on Waydale there was more responsible use of that word.

Could you be more specific? Golly, I believe you are capable of typing anything to create suspicion and sensationalism with no legitimate facts at all.

I will hold fast to my thoughts over yours, any day of the week, thank you very much...

Perhaps, perhaps not, depending on the facts in the case. It has to meet certain criteria to be a legitimate rape, and the way some posters flaunt the word rape on the forum, yeah, I'd want to hear both sides, before I make a judgment. Do I have the word MORON printed on my forehead, believing without question all allegations of rape against someone? Do you believe everything you read on the internet, without question?

I never called anyone a liar outright, but, I have disbelieved some posters based upon their fanciful allegations and unbelievable sob stories. I find some allegations very hard to believe, especially coming from anonymous posters who have an unrelenting accusatory mindset against all that is twi. If the conversation were face to face with someone I knew and trusted, it would probably be an entirely different story, and probably quite enlightening.

Anybody can allege anything. To be fair, observants need more proof, need to hear both sides, for something to be believable. Why bother having lawsuits at all? Just accuse someone of rape based upon the words of the one party, and that's that...

Mark, With all the fanciful allegations of rape and how loosely it seems to be used here, it is difficult for me just to take someone's word for it. You are free to PM me if you want to fill me in, and all information will be kept confidential. People can state what they will, but a rape needs to be proven in a court of law with all sides testifying under oath and subject to cross examination. Until then, I believe the proper term to use especially on the net is "alleged rape" or "alleged rapist".

Another thought that cross my mind is if someone felt they really wanted/needed an apology from Craig, they could take the first step, and make an attempt to have a discussion with him and explain where/how they were hurt and see what Craig's response is. To me, that is love... to reprove and correct. The response from Craig might be surprising. Maybe he would show remorse. The man is still alive, so now would be the time to confront him with this if someone feels the need to.

When I had questions, I wrote to hq, and always got an answer. The answers weren't always what I wanted to hear;.... but I got an answer nevertheless...

That is true, at least for me.

Adam did that and look what happened ... got us all in the soup. Oops sorry.

I don't start threads I jump on them like a dust mite.

Just trying to make sense and get things straight in my own head, why it is we are discussing this and how it relates to our beliefs. If we assume that Wierwille and Martindale and others did not repent of their sins when they were cognizant of them, what does that actually mean for OUR lives?