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I don't suppose it would exist because it never needed to.Twi already taught and continues to teach that our son of God status, and sonship rights status, is permanent. (Although I never took WAP, I heard this is the case with WAP as well.) So why would twi have to, or feel the need to, teach that our sonship and sonship rights are permanent upon someone's departure? It has already been taught through established teachings that they are permanent. Permanent means permanent. Forevermore means forevermore. Eternal life means eternal life. Even a fool need not err therein! Mo, if you are suggesting that twi taught / said that us folks who left twi are no longer sons of God, and no longer have our God-given sonship rights (righteousness, sanctification, justification, redemption, ministry of reconciliation), then it is incumbent upon you to produce written evidence of same. Instead of suggesting fanciful theories, why not stick with established, verifiable, provable, teachings of twi? God knows there are enough of them without making these subtle accusations don't you think?

I didn't clarify leadership mindset ... I quoted an excerpt from PFAL that proves twi taught sonship rights are permanent ... which was in response to your suggestion that twi suggested that if one leaves twi, one loses their sonship and sonship rights, which in and of itself blatantly would contradict established twi teachings. Regarding mindset of leadership? I do not make blanket accusations ... my view is leaders varied in many ways.. there were good ones and bad ones; good ones who sometimes acted bad and bad ones who sometimes acted good; .... but basically, a leaders mindset is determined by the individual making the decision in a particular instance.

But whether that is true or false still would not negate a persons sonship or sonship rights, which is not based upon man's works, but the works of God in Christ Jesus that has been bestowed upon us who believe. Of course I am. They are permanent. Righteousness, sanctification, justification, redemption, ministry of reconciliation. Here's an excerpt on righteousness: You are Righteous NowThe Bible Tells Me So Pages 70-71

Mo, when did twi teach or suggest that if you left twi, you lost God's righteousness, and were no longer a son of God?

This is a terrific article. Thanks Belle. It appears twi isn't out of the woods just yet. :)

She didn't say that well-meaning Christians aren't righteous. She said "these good works do not make them righteous". She is saying that we were made righteous by faith, through the works of Jesus Christ... not our own good works. (Philippians 3:9) Confessing with your mouth and believing in your heart something that God promises is not telling God what to do it is confessing with your mouth and believing in your heart something that God has promised.

Happy Weekend, one and all!

There's no question that mistakes were made, no question. But I do find it hard to believe that twi leaders would intentionally want these things. "Intent" .... That means they wanted it to happen. Do you really believe that? If you do, please consider deeply the next quote, replacing twi with the RC church, of your last paragraph. I think it's fair to apply this reasoning, if it's true, to RC church and other churches and groups wherein these things may happen:

Here you go Allan: When Forgiveness Is A Sin

Did you freely avail?

It takes a village.

I agree with Allan's statement. It just makes sense. Why would someone go to a church if they didn't think it was the best out there? Why waste time and money on something you don't believe is THE way to go?

Somehow I get the feeling that VP didn't literally mean that... but that our commitment should be that fanatical about the Word, and preserving it. It does make a great sound byte. Who knows, maybe he had a little too much drambuie that day.

What was once an absolute "yes" answer, has turned into "it's possible".

I loved the movie JFK. Some believe it was the CIA who were protecting themselves from Kennedy. Some believe it was the mafia. Some even believe it was the Israeli Mossad in cooperation with the Jewish Mob, who had it in for Kennedy because he was against Israel becoming a nuclear state. Here's a related quote: Reuven Pedatzer in the Israeli newspaper, Ha'aretz, February 5, 1999, reviewing Avner Cohen's new book, "Israel and the Bomb".Whoever did it, one thing I believe -- Lee didn't act alone, if at all...

Now that is really unbelievable. I can imagine someone in twi saying you should have been turned over to satan, for the betrayal... but accusing you of being a seed boy? Do you remember who said this and what time period?

For me, there was no difference. When I signed for the 6th, I made a commitment to serve in twi for a lifetime, which was synonymous with serving in the body of Christ, or doing Christian service. I do believe serving in twi can be Christian service. But I also believe the reverse is possible too. I think the difference is all based upon the mindset of the individual making the decision.

That's so sad... I would have helped. Thank God you didn't kill yourself.