oldiesman

It is available to prevail, when you freely avail... never mind.

CK, can you share some points on what was taught about prosperity?

Dmiller, I thought exactly the opposite in twi. I thought I and we, all of us, were ministers. We who preach and teach the gospel. We are all ambassadors, ministers, and we didn't need to be ordained to do those things.

We were told that the Illuminati's goal was to implement the Newstates Constitution on July 4, 1976, exactly 200 years after Independence Day of 1776. Another time, I vaguely remember a large poster or something that everyone signed and was to be sent to President Carter, asking God to bless us in the U.S. and keep us free. Was that at PFAL '77?

"the consequences of not completeing the training." It is just simply ludicrous for you to stress that God's hand of blessing and protection would leave someone if they dropped out of the corps. It is utter nonsense and fiction. Folks who dropped out got along fine, and were blessed. Rascal, who do you think you are talking to? do you think we are morons?

You had a choice not to get pregnant, in the first place. You had a choice not to get an abortion, in the second place. You had a choice to drop out and go back at a later time, in the third place. In the fourth place, God, and your brothers and sisters in Christ, would have forgiven you, had you dropped out.

Perhaps they should have made their point a little more colorful by asking "is wife-swapping ok as long as it is fully consensual?)

I agree with your points. ex10 should have been allowed to go back to college without getting hassled. She could have been a twig coordinator and still within the programs guidelines.

That was my point Bramble. Then at that point, you either got with the program, or left. If the meetings weren't pleasing and acceptable to you, you left. If not, you stayed and got likeminded with the group. Call that what you want.. goodness, love, truth, brainwashing, mindcontrol, captivity, et al... but bottom line, whatever you call it, it was your choice ... Just like Greasespot! :) Have a nice weekend, one and all.

It cost me nothing. "we are one"

I'd love to see PFAL on the net one day. Each 28 minute segment there, for whoever wants to view it. And dang it, it should be for free!

I am a minister in the Universal Life Church. "we are one"

So let me get this straight. TWI, The Way International, no longer owns the rights to PFAL? That is pretty big news. Yes, I'd be interested to know what company reportedly owns PFAL now. And are we talking about all the materials, i.e., film class, video, books, collaterals?

I don't know the exact date they changed, but I know it has been at least several months now.

On the other hand, my RC church experience was like serving time.

Come on MountainTopCO, you make it sound like we were shackled prisoners in a concentration camp. We weren't held captive and I don't buy into the VMP.

I have the feeling he may have been depressed instead of angry and raged about it. oh well ... we won't know until the bema.

What does that mean? I'm intrigued.

Twi changed that policy ... they sell books to folks not involved. Not sure about M&A ... someone who is M&A needs to contact them for a bookstore list to find out. :)

I think the feeling could be fairly common in religious groups. Ever try leaving the RC church or JWitnesses, to just name two? Do the leaders there approve and bless your departure? Hopefully we can get our faith in Christ so strong, that we don't have to "feel captive" to any one earthly organization.

And I think it is a weak point. For the most part, religious or other groups with definitive teachings and beliefs simply do not allow other doctrines or opinions, for any appreciable length of time. You either agree with the program, or leave. For instance, if I decided to regularly attend and share at a Wicca meeting, all about the accuracy and integrity of the ineffable greatness of God's Word, how long do you think I would last, before being escorted out the door?

Freelady, I believe that. That's what happened to me, too.

:o both :o

Of course we could question and/or point out how wrong they were. I sometimes did. Of course, I didn't always get meekness or thankfulness in response. :) Sometimes, I got ill will and stubbornness. Sometimes I got vagueness. Sometimes I got no response at all. But that didn't stop me from questioning and being a pest, if I thought I had to. You prove that you could speak up, and did. Unfortunately, they didn't accept what you had to say, and were rude or worse, besides that. I've had leadership like that. On the other hand, I've had meek leaders too.