waysider

You seem to be the one doing all the arguing. This is a discussion forum, not a platform for your derailing and bully tactics. Either you want to discuss things in a logical, civil manner or you don't. It's your call.

John, you've been here for 11 years now. Are you expecting me to believe that in those 11 years you haven't realized most of Wierwille's work was plagiarized? There are whole sections of RTHST that are virtual word-for-word copies of previously existing material. Wierwille did not write it. He copied it and changed a few words, changed some of the phrasing around. That's plagiarism. There is 11 years of hard core, indisputable evidence of that here on the GSC threads. Your speaking in tongues has no relevance to that, nor does the topic of evolution. If you want to continue discussing those topics, which are a diversion from the subject of the thread, I suggest you start your own thread and stop trying to derail this one.

Fold

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Ydq-NU2Iw&feature=related

The Rescue Type of Work: Non-dramatic literary work Registration Number / Date: TX0000702166 / 1981-05-28 Date of Publication: November 10, 1980 Date of Creation: 1980 Title: The Rescue / by Dennis McGee. Edition: 1st ed. Imprint: New York : Vantage Press, c1980. Description: l98 p. Copyright Claimant: Dennis McGee Names: Dennis McGee 1953- SOURCE

I don't think that verse can be interpreted literally. If it could, you would never get sick in the first place (were = past tense)

John PFAL was a mishmash of plagiarized works. That's not an opinion. That's a fact. In addition, much of what was presented in PFAL, that many have considered to be true, has subsequently been proven to be misinformation, based on faulty "research". In other words, the WOW program was nothing more than a sales campaign for a defective product. Again, that's not an opinion, it's a fact. In no way is that meant to denigrate participants of the program. We all got duped on one level or another. If God is real, and everything His word says He is, He certainly wouldn't need a hodgepodge class like PFAL to accomplish salvation, now would He?.

Linda I see your point. This is what I was specifically referring to: "..... he got witnessed to in a convenience store by a white girl. He came to a fellowship and after the teaching was over he raved and said he'd been looking for something like this his whole life. He went on to become a branch leader." Joining a cult and subsequently becoming a leader in it is not the same thing as "deliverance". Sorry I didn't make that clearer.

So, the guy escapes one cult, only to be snatched up by another. Sorry, John, I'm not seeing any "deliverance" in that.

Yes, but, do any of these opinions predate the filming of PFAL in 1967? Maybe they do. And were they available for perusal by Wierwille? I don't really know. I am curious, though. Edit: The relevant point for me, though, is that this whole concept, whether intentionally or unintentionally, sowed the seeds of a martyrdom mentality..... "Sure I'm driving a WOW-mobile and living on Beanie-Weenies, but, look at what Paul endured for The Word."

Do you remember how, in the PFAL class, Wierwille said something to the effect that people have even said Paul's Thorn was sexual addiction? Really?? People have said this? Admittedly, I knew very little about the Bible before taking PFAL, but, is this really something anyone here has ever heard anywhere else besides PFAL? Or, was Wierwille obviating, in case someone might become suspicious of his own weaknesses? I think this whole "people" angle was simply part of the indoctrination process that established a "them vs. us" mentality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ua-wUGFFlM

The following article was posted on another site I visit. It has nothing to do with The Way in a direct sense. Somehow, though, it reminded me of how we used to "manipulate" scripture to make it say what we wanted it to say and look the way we wanted it to look. Opinions welcomed Photoshop and Photography: When Is It Real?

Screen printing for fun and profit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7JJg46e_pE

Exactly! He took legal action at the "secular" level....and a world of good resulted from it.

And just think! Every Halloween they could convert it into one of those Haunted House attractions that have become so popular.

The Rescue.... It's a BOOK, fer cryin' out loud! We're supposed to base life and death decisions on a literary work??? That sounds awfully risky to me. But, what do I know?

Anybody else ever think about all the catastrophic scenarios this would produce? Driver-less semis, careening out of control on the interstate. People on the operating table, suddenly left with no one to complete their open heart surgeries. High-rise tenants, left to burn to death while rescuers disappear into the clouds. And on and on.

There was an outbreak of the mosquito-borne virus which causes St. Louis encephalitis, in the geographic area and at the same time, that H.A. became ill. There is a good likelihood that this was the cause of his malady. H.A. was given homeopathic treatments along with the more conventional treatments he received. The protocol for treatment includes rest, not work. Way leadership may have "said" he worked his way back to health but, that defies common knowledge of how recovery from encephalitis is typically achieved

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7JJg46e_pE

Don't you worry 'bout what's on your mind I'm in no hurry I can take my time I'm going red and my tongue's getting tied I'm off my head and my mouth's getting dry. I'm high, But I try, try, try

Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey------Paul McCartney

I think I know what you mean, Ham. "The Girl" (or "The Guy", as the case may be) was only part of a bigger package. At least for some people. It was part of that desire to be an interactive member of something bigger than the individual members. (ie: a family) For our generation, The boy-girl relationship symbolized that. For a lot of people it still does. But, back then, there weren't as many lifestyle choices as there are today. In the blue-collar environment I was raised in, it was pretty much expected that you would get out of school, get married and start a family of your own. And, that's how it pretty much was until everything changed by leaps and bounds in the late 1960s. But, by then, I was already out of high school and it was harder to change a lot of preconceived notions. So, "The Girl" represented an opportunity to pursue a lifestyle I had been conditioned for. Of course, for some people, it was just another way to "pick up chicks". For those people, though, I don't think their stays in The Way were typically long-lasting.