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Yes, it was held right there beside the road. I wonder what locals must have thought as they drove past.( Not that it was a very well traveled road.) It makes you wonder if part of the joke wasn't being done for their benefit as well. Maybe Wierwille should have become a "shock radio" personality instead of a preacher.

I think the W.C. served multiple purposes. I certainly don't dismiss the harem theory as at least one of them.

Yes, it makes you wonder why it took more than one word to answer the question.

"Moron in a Trench Coat" That would make a good song title. We could get Men Without Pants to record it. At least there would be no need to tell them to "Keep it in Your Pants".

But--but---but---mr. wierwille taught me how to say "Lo Shanta". I wish you could have heard it in the original. (You'll just have to take my word on it.)

Same thing with Fellow Laborers. Spend your time cutting grass and weeding the garden. I've looked at the FLO facebook page. People gushing about how much God taught them through digging a ditch or something. What a crock of pig poop.

At WOW training one year, he told the men, "Keep it in your pants." It's a shame there wasn't an echo in the room.

Oh, I've taken that challenge. (and then some.) What happens? Well, for starters, you initially feel guilty. Must be trippin' out or somethin'. What if Gawd tries to talk to me? I won't be able to hear Him. How will I be able to pray for stuff? (Gawd doesn't understand the more mundane languages, like English and such, ya know?) And what about that inner spirit that needs me to keep feeding it? Won't it start to suffer from malnutrition if I deprive it of spiritual mashed potatoes? I mean, I know it's supposed to be completely, completely, complete already but maybe it can still become more completer. And then, something interesting happens. You realize that speaking in tongues seems to have been acting as some sort of fuel on the fire of self delusion. You start to feel like you are waking up from a dream. Things take on a new perspective. And the whole world doesn't collapse around you with a thundering crash. But, of course, I'm probably just a devil spirit trying to trick you. Yeah, that's it. Can't take the chance. Just too risky.

"So what if c-a-t really spells dog? Makes as much sense." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- So, what if the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie? Makes as much sense. No, actually, John, it makes no sense. __________________________________________________________ "VP said of senses faith that it does everything except act on the word." What does that even mean? Can you explain it in your own words? (Please don't start your explanation with "VP said". I want to know what JOHN says.)

You are one brave lady, excie. mwahhh!

So, then, what if there really is such a thing as speaking in tongues but the stuff VPW sold us is fake? Would that make you feel betrayed?

Yes, it was all just a stupid joke. But, the twist of irony that tickles my funny bone is that it was carried out at the Advanced Class. You know, the class where we were instructed to shun "devilish" activities. It was there, at the Advanced Class, that we were sternly warned of the dangers of dabbling with "witchcraft" in any form. So, here we were---dabbling. Having a few laughs in the process, perhaps, but still dabbling. Like holding our hands really close to an open fire in defiance of its heat. To me, it's like a joke with more than one punch-line.

Actually, there is a huge volume of information relating to studies of glossolalia available on-line. Because the approach taken is usually from a non-emotional stance, much of it is quite cut and dry. You don't really need much more than a few key-words to find most of it. HERE is one example. There is another study that was done involving about 990 subjects, which concluded that glossolalia is not related to mental illness, as had previously been suggested.. I'll see if I can still find that one and post it if and when I can. MORE As Pentecostalism expanded in the 20th century and attracted the attention of the wider world, psychologists initially thought of glossolalia in pathological terms, thinking that it was caused by mental illness. In 1927 George Cutten described speakers in tongues as people of low mental abilities. This explanation was effectively refuted in 1969 by a team from the University of Minnesota, who conducted an extensive study covering the United States, Mexico, Haiti and Colombia; they reached practitioners among Pentecostals, other Protestant groups, and Roman Catholics. Cutten's contentions concerning psychopathology, quoted and re-quoted through the years, have taken on an aura of fact among non-Pentecostal churchmen who are critical of the movement. His assumption that glossolalia is linked to schizophrenia and hysteria has not been supported by any empirical evidence. Subsequently, a 2003 statistical study in the religious journal Pastoral Psychology concluded that, among the 991 male evangelical clergy sampled, glossolalia was associated with stable extroversion, and contrary to some theories, completely unrelated to psychopathology.

Lionel Richie?

Well, this may come as as shock to you. There are actually people who abstain from vices and perform community services, not because they seek to show themselves Godly or to reap rewards, but, because they have a desire to do the right thing and to help their fellow man. Quite a foreign concept in the land of Wayville.

Wow! This is priceless. If SIT (as taught in The Way) is genuine, do you really think God would require the services of VP (you know he wasn't really a Dr., don't you?) Wierwille to make it "easy, practical, harmless"?

According to the Advanced Class silly-bus, it's the spirit that causes addictions, such as alcoholism, overeating, chain smoking, drug addiction etc. It also says that people who have this spirit are always drinking, even if it is only water. Personally, if I felt the need to constantly drink water, I think I would head for the doctor's office and inquire about a glucose tolerance test. Or an exorcism. Which ever is most convenient.

BUMP!

Oh, sorry, I thought you meant great Holiday.

Have you ever heard the expression, "Don't put all your eggs in one basket."? I think that's what has happened for a lot of people who bought into The Gospel According to Wierwille. Suppose you find out that what you thought was speaking in tongues was not really speaking in tongues at all? That would kind of leave you with an empty basket wouldn't it? It would seem to me that you haven't bothered to investigate this possibility with an open mind. I say that because you haven't even bothered to learn the correct spelling of glossolalia. Do I worry about being born again? No, not really. I live my life the best I can and try to live by The Golden Rule. If that's not good enough, let the chips fall where they may. Wierwille would have done well to do the same. Instead, he abused his position of authority to destroy the lives of countless, well-meaning people. Earn eternal life by preaching the evils of VPW? What makes you think I'm trying to earn eternal life? People have a right to know that The Way is/was a scam and that Wierille was a con artist. Would I be following The Golden Rule if I intentionally led them to believe otherwise?

Teachings and classes and fellowships---Oh, my! I'll get you my pretty! hehehehehehe

I would say "promote". Wierwille fostered an attitude of male domination and abuse that many men would have otherwise shunned if they hadn't been challenged to----as they said in the ministry----"Grow a pair".

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