waysider

"The Dr. is out. He'll be right back with more demented music."

Attention, all those who extol the value of the warm, fuzzy feelings you remember! The upper management of The Way did not share in your sentimentality. It was a business, geared toward one goal----generating a steady flow of suckers who were willing to increase their bottom line. Let me give that to you in a literal translation according to usage.....They didn't give a rat's azz what happened to you out there, as long as what you were doing had potential for enriching the coffers.

Way HQ is in Ohio. Wierwille spent his entire life in Ohio. Should it have come as a surprise to him that hitch hiking is illegal in most parts of Ohio and has been for decades and decades? L.E.A.D. participants were instructed to only stick their thumbs out on the on-ramps. Why? Because leadership KNEW it was illegal to hitch ON the interstate. That's right. They KNEW hitch hiking was illegal unless certain loopholes in the law were manipulated. They were thumbing their noses at the law of the land. For a supposedly Bible-centric organization, they seem to have been abysmally ignorant of the Biblical exhortation to follow the laws of the society in which one resides. Ignorant or unconcerned about following advise that was clearly written in the book they claimed to have mastered. And, when they were made aware of the tragic situations that were happening because of this policy, they coldly turned their gaze the other direction and blamed the victims, rather than accept responsibility for their flawed directives. They had less "spiritual perception" than a pet rock.

Dr. Scholl's has done more for me than both of them put together.

Creative criticism This is called a straw man fallacy, John. -------------------------------------------------------- Straw Man Fallacy Explanation A straw man argument is one that misrepresents a position in order to make it appear weaker than it actually is, refutes this misrepresentation of the position, and then concludes that the real position has been refuted. This, of course, is a fallacy, because the position that has been claimed to be refuted is different to that which has actually been refuted; the real target of the argument is untouched by it. ---------------------------------------------------------- No one ever said or implied it was wrong to convert the tree into firewood. Rather than address the issue raised by the poster, you created a straw man argument. Most people here are familiar with the concept. This is one of the reasons people become put off by some of the things you write. Now, if you really want people to listen to what you say and give it serious consideration, it would be in your best interest to learn to recognize when you are doing this and take messures to correct it. Of course, if you already know all this and are doing this intentionally, I wish you luck----and a durable soap box.

That would certainly fit with Wierwille's teaching of John 1:1 in PFAL. And, since we know that the source for much of what VPW taught in PFAL was BG Leonard, it only makes sense to deduce that Leonard's beliefs were along these lines, also.

Well, at least they didn't call you "Hockey Puck".

I think I read somewhere that, in the picture language of some Native American peoples, the broken arrow symbolized a call for peace.

I stand corrected. The irony is still there, however, because he wasn't willing to risk letting spontaneity take its course by remaking the class . edit: And, in retrospect, I think he just made up this silly story,like he did so many others, to toot his own horn. "Look at me, I'm sooooo spiritual, I can just reach up in Daddy's cookie jar and he tells me exactly what I need to teach." (cough)

Jackie Coogan was my Uncle Fester in the Absurd.

I have a hard time trying to read the Bible. I see some particular scripture and think about how I listened to some teacher or another get all excited about what the verse or word REALLY meant. Then I think about how that whole particular teaching was actually based on flawed research and didn't reflect the message they were trying to convey at all. Like finding out there is no Easter Bunny. Can you really make yourself believe in him again?

alfakat, Maybe I'm missing something here. I don't see anybody trying to paint ALL of them with the same paint brush. When you look at a high school year book, you have memories of the "group", but, don't you, also, consider how they've all grown in different, individual directions? Isn't that part of the attraction of face-book for many people?

VP and Howard

Reminds me of the old codger who said, "I still chase women----I just wish I could remember why."

Here's some irony. In PLAF (The Wonder Class), Wierwille talked about how he would prepare part of his Sunday sermon and then put it in his desk drawer until he worked on it again. Then, come Sunday morning, the sermon fell flat because the devil had looked at his teaching throughout the week and turned the congregation against it by Sunday morning. This was his argument for the value of spontaneity. Yet, he continually refused to re-film "the class", itself, because, he said, it couldn't be recreated. I guess he really didn't believe that silly illustration himself, now, did he?.

There was actually an aborted attempt to create a way corps prior to this. They are sometimes referred to as the "Zero Corps".

http://www.atlbible.org/1stwaycorps.cfm?Picture=1 http://www.atlbible.org/1stwaycorps.cfm?Picture=2 http://www.atlbible.org/1stwaycorps.cfm?Picture=3 http://www.atlbible.org/howardallen.htm

"Same old same old" that any other good little wayfer would have. It got damaged in a wet basement incident about fifteen years ago and I pitched it. Can't say that I've really felt any compulsion to ever replace it.

My original line of thinking wasn't really questioning whether or not there are Biblical parallels. There obviously are. My question was more about the "why?". "Why" do we feel, in make making comparisons, that the comparisons need to be Biblical at all?

In this dirty old part of the city, where the sun refuse to shine......

Twinky In order to understand the literal meaning according to colloquial usage, you need to juxtapose the ch and f and add a pesky little comma in the appropriate position to suggest that someone is being addressed. (It's especially topical when viewed in light of the current "Sheen Shenanigans".)

Shudder! The greatest cargoes in life come over==================

And there is an analogy (or is it simile or maybe hypercacastasis?) that you can see here if you've been saying your Lo Shanta's faithfully, too. The prison bars represent the great truths, hidden in that wonderful collateral, "Release From Your Prisons". Yes, that's it. You, too, can have something completely different if you will focus clearly on an image of a fish. ('cause fish are Biblical, you see.)