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[quote name=johniam' date='21 March 2011 - 07:00 PM' timestamp='1300748442' post='5254 The more biblical meaning of truth is that which is the same yesterday, today, and forever, Jesus Christ. That truth doesn't evolve and grow; it's absolute. This is an extrapolation. The premise you are presenting here is that, because John 14:6 says that Jesus is ...the truth and Hebrews 13:8 says he is the same yesterday, tomorrow and forever, that Jesus is absolute truth. Using this same premise, we can say that because John 14 says that Jesus is... the way and Hebrews says he is the same yesterday, today and forever, The Way (ministry) must be Jesus Christ, himself. I'm sure you're not saying that, are you?

I remember in one of those leadership training classes or seminars we were taught to delegate tasks. and, this particular phrase was a key point in the presentation: "If you really need to get something done, ask someone who's already busy." ----------------------------------------------------------------- The rationale behind this apparent paradox is indicated in quot. 1997. It means. specifically, that you must banish all idleness; and it also means, in a general way, that if you want something done, you should ask a busy person—like me—to do it. [1984 Christian Science Monitor 26 Oct. 38] SOURCE ---------------------------------------------------------------------

One center of reference for truth? How do you get something as big as "the truth" squeezed into one little box? No, I think you find bits and pieces of truth all around you if you keep your mind open to possibility and change. And, it's not a constant. It evolves and grows, much like a tiny seed grows into a mighty Redwood. (It's always a Redwood throughout the entire process. It simply takes on differing forms.) Some might argue that Jesus is the only truth because of what he said in John 6:14. But, if one is to interpret that verse as such, it follows suit that he must be the only Way, as well. So, then, The Way (ministry) had no business calling itself The Way, if that verse is to be interpreted literally. The purpose of believing there is only one constant truth, is to allow the mind to cope with conflicting ideas. The human mind does not like to entertain two opposing thoughts at the same time so it reaches a sort of compromise between the two. That's called resolving cognitive dissonance. PFAL provided that compromise. It provided a way to ease that uncomfortable feeling, as long as one was willing to forgo critical thinking in exchange for commitment to PFAL prescribed doctrine. Critical thinking and careful reconsideration is the antidote. For some people, the cure is more painful than the ailment.

Session #5, if I remember correctly.

Seems like just yesterday.

Oh, you mean that was a parody?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_Faith Heavy emphasis on the law of believing, name it and claim it concepts. E.W. Kenyon is one of the originators. Much of it resembles the first few sessions of PFAL (IMO).

I suppose a lot of things vary according to where you were geographically, but, I, for one, heard people, on numerous occasions, both demand (and command) that God do whatever it was they happened to be praying for. Even those Bank of God checkbooks that they sold in the bookstore were a variation of this concept, as was the "name it and claim it" thinking that became so prevalent. In fact, in some circles, it was seen as a sign of weak believing to "ask" for something rather than "claim" it. I think this actually has its roots in the PFAL class, in the session where Wierwille pokes fun at people who still pray The Lord's Prayer instead of recognizing various scriptures in the epistles. Ultimately, it all comes back to the pseudo "law of believing". It's (Whatever you are praying for) already yours and you will manifest it in proportion to your degree of believing. No God really needed because "It works for saint and sinner alike.". (cough)

That's a cop-out, John. When you say "they" are doing this (specific thing) or "they" are saying that (specific thing), you need to be ready to identify (specifically) the object of your reference. Otherwise, it's all idle babble. Meaningless. Unworthy of consideration or response.

I can't stay, yes, I know You know I hate to go But, goodbye, love was sweet Our worlds can never meet.

Carrie Anne-----The Hollies

Things usually work out for the best if you just be "yourself". (At least that's what Grandpa Waysider used to tell me.)

I think you may have misspelled a word.

Wasn't everything that happened to you your own fault? (Faulty believing, negative confession, not speaking in tongues enough, not studying the blue book enough, not listening to God, etc., etc., yada, yada.)

I'm gonna get back and read this thread as soon as I can pencil in some time for it.

"The Way" (New Knoxville variety) is just the taxidermist's model, a lifeless, stuffed relic of the original. The real "The Way" (D.N.A. derivative variety) lives on in a multitude of other places and life forms, such as the denizens of Smith County. (Don't forget to click the "donate" button.)

Alexander W. Livingston was a "seed boy". (While still a child, Livingston showed an interest in seeds and plants) http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=2654

I'd still like to know who "they" are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4_gf68n_30

Who are "they"?

That's unfortunate news for people who value Wierwille's credibility. AC--page 10 "Speaking in tongues is prerequisite to revelation." If he was wrong about that, what else was he wrong about?

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