waysider

Yes, it was called a "spirit of error". The scriptures referenced for this one are: I John 4:6, Matt. 24:24, Rev. 12:9, II John 7. Apparently Wierwille was not aware that there are people with poor physical co-ordination and/or poor eyesight. On that same page, it also says that no one can commit murder unless they have a "spirit of murder" and that these are deeply seated spirits. Strangely, no one seemed to pick up on these using their "discerning of spirits". But, then, no one seemed to pick up on the other "spirits" VPW would had to have had, either. I count no less than eight. These would include Spirit of Obsession (can't control temper), Sadistic spirit (sexual maniac), Deceiving spirit (self explanatory), Spirit of Python (poisons others minds), Masochistic spirit (enjoys inflicting hurt), Ego spirit (self explanatory), Spirit of Leviathan (alcoholic/substance abuse) and, of course, Spirit of Cancer....from page 20 of AC Silly-bus.

And, lest it should go unmentioned, Wierwille taught, in The Advanced Class, that suicide is caused by a "suicidal spirit". He also taught that there is a "spirit of death" that hangs around a person who is about to die. Now, the real clincher to this whole thing is that he taught those things within the context of a class that was supposed to be teaching us how to recognize various spirits and deal with them appropriately. Please tell me I'm not the only one that sees the bitter irony in this.

That's a subset of Bait & Switch, called Date & Switch. Bait...Spend two years in a Fellow Laborer "commune" and then return to your hometown, as a more fully equipped servant of God's people. Switch...Spend two years getting your butt chewed out for having sub-standard believing and then finding out your hometown no longer needs your services. BONUS...Learning to make your own mayonnaise and mung bean sprouts.

No, John, I believe your analogy is flawed. You, yourself, in this very thread, have spoken in derogatory terms regarding higher education and mental health professionals. Shall I cut and paste those statements for you? Yet, you do an about face and try to use their esteem to bolster your position. Can't have your cake and eat it, too, I'm afraid. This was a common ploy of Dr. (You know he wasn't really a Dr., don't you?) Wierwille. There are multiple examples of this very thing in PLAF (The Wonder Class).

"That's interesting. Just hours ago I was told by several degreed educational professionals that my wife and I are committed, involved parents whom they really appreciate working with, as well as our 3 kids. These people have known us for over 10 years." Have you told these people yet what a low opinion you have of higher education and the mental health professions?

The Mann Act is named after Congressman James Robert Mann.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2uGxHoYH3Y

Sorry, I should have been a bit clearer. I was specifically referring to ones who have died as a result of TWI involvement.

I've lost a few friends who are missing from the list, as well. But, then, I suppose quite a few of us are in that category.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJcuETig9kE

Hahaha! Yeah, I agree. I was just trying to keep it within the framework of how he, himself, defined "marriage". Soooooo.... The MOG was a DOM....I likes it!

I wanna come back as an aardvark.

Well you know, "any two believers can make a marriage work." I mean, really, just look at what a wonderful, monogamous, loving example VPW and Dottsie were. (Ouch!, I think I just bit my tongue.)

Yeah, I forgot to mention the indisputable "evidence" of Lo shonta bonta bo bonta bananna fanna fo fanta."

Well, he did teach us about how there were 4 crucified with Jesus, not 2. Oops, sorry, that particular research has been debunked. Ok, then there is the matter of lambano and dechomai. Nah, that one crashed and burned, too. How about the law of believing? Shoot, that dog don't hunt neither. Well, crap, what exactly DID we learn, anyhow?

I think I see your point, what with God being spirit and all that. Then again, I guess one has to be a bit more specific in who owns the title of "God".

And he violated The Mann Act in order to facilitate his polygamous lifestyle. So, even though there are no federal laws against polygamy, there ARE laws against the sort of trafficking he used to facilitate it. (See thread on Polygamy)

Well, there are some amongst us who roll our eyes and say, with disgust, "God Almighty!" That's probably not what you had in mind, though.

By virtue of his own definitions, as set forth in the CF&S class, VPW was a polygamist. CF&S (somewhat paraphrased) 1."Intercourse is always a spiritual event." 2."Consummation, because it is spiritual in nature, is the defining criteria for marriage in God's eyes, not the laws of man." Where he got these ideas, I don't know. He said he didn't have scriptures to back much of what he was saying and told us we would "just have to trust me"(him).

VPW willfully violated The Mann Act of 1910. HERE Had he been caught and prosecuted, he would have been, not only a "bad man", he would have been a felon, hardly worthy of the exaltation and laurels that have been misguidedly heaped upon him.

And therein lies the point of NOT letting this slip into the shadows of history. VPW's legacy lives on in these clowns who still promote this sort of thinking. Ergo, it's not really "past history" at all. It's alive and well wherever the praises of "our Father, who art in New Knoxville' are being sung.

Relevant points that come to mind: 1. He was in a position of authority and influence. 2. Date rape drugs were sometimes used. 3. He violated the Mann Act when he transported victims across state lines.

Yes, I did wonder about that at times.

Let's just hope he was "shootin' blanks".

....and a limp one at that.