waysider

Even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then.

Isn't that where all quests lead? the unknown?.. It wouldn't be much of a "quest" if you knew where you were going, would it?

Oh, about 3-4 pounds.

I don't know if Mr. Natural was a prophet. He definitely had a gift ministry, though....bestowed upon him by one Mr. R. Crumb. On second thought, he must have been an apostle----bringing new light to a whole generation of freaks and heads. Yeah, sure, it was really old light but.......

------Tom Petty and Stevie Nicks

Hehehehe I was trying to set you up for a cheesy punchline. You know. Like "What's a hen-way?"

What's a way run?

The photo I saw was at the groundbreaking for the old BRC, back in the 1960s I suppose..

I saw an old photo of him at the groundbreaking for the BRC. He was "posing" with a shovel, along with some other folks. I think it was probably Ermal Owens and Harry (He wasn't MY uncle.) Wierwille. He probably made an appearance or three to "pose" with the Way Corps, too. He never brought his shovel to Ohio HQ to do any work with Fellow Laborers, though. For the most part, he was what the kids call a "poser".

Misdirects do nothing to help your position.

Yo Mamma! (That didn't feel as good as I thought it would.)

Why Unless you can argue your point from a logical position, there is no reason to give any value to your statement. This would be true, regardless of the subject matter. The problem You have not demonstrated an ability or willingness to do so.

Can you use another reference to make your point? (Aside from Way materials)

They won't all ever completely fit. But, at least people can see some of these things and say. "Hey!, I really wasn't crazy when I questioned this or that behavior or doctrine that I saw."

"deconstructing the ideas". Yes, for yourself, as well as for others who may also be struggling to make the pieces of the puzzle fit.

"VP was both an apostle and a teacher. One sent to give light. His main light was ADAN and the holy spirit stuff. JCING he did reluctantly" John, your definition of an apostle is not in accord with what Wierwille taught in PFAL. Wierwille said "an apostle is one who is sent to bring new light to a generation. It may be old light but it is new to that generation". Even by his own definition, Wierwille could not have been an apostle. PFAL was a hijacking of B.G. Leonard's work. Receiving the holy spirit today, at various places, was an almost word for word hijacking of J.E. Stiles. That means it was not new light to his generation. Bullinger's How To Enjoy The Bible was anything but new. "Fear is sand in the machinery of life" is a quote lifted from E. Stanley Jones. The Corps program is a bastardization of Jones' Ashram concept.... And, even though such concepts as "four crucified" are intriguing to explore, much of this sort of thing has been shown, time and time again, to be based on faulty research. And, how can you be so certain that ADAN and JCING are even the work of VPW? It would appear to me that a real sticking point for you is the idea of Christ's Divinity, as well as the idea of soul sleep. Have you ever explored these areas from any framework outside of PFAL? Perhaps if you had, you could, at the very least, partake in an intelligent discussion that isn't based on what V.P. (you know he wasn't really a Dr., don't you?) Wierwille said. Now, you list a number of men and the gift ministry's you say they have/had. What is your basis for this conclusion? Did you get revelation to that effect? Did God say, as outlined in The Advanced Class, that it's alright to share this revelation? Is there scripture that supports your claims? Or, are you simply making this declaration based on your own "5 senses" observations? As others have pointed out, your example of what constitutes a pastor appears to be quite twisted and reveals more about your true attitudes than you may realize.

No, I never heard him say it. Although, it does seem to be in character for him.

"As for vp's good works, if you roll manure in sugar, it doesn't suddenly become a custard bismark." Take a big bite. There's a surprise inside.

Nowhere in The Bible does it say a football player should be beyond reproach. VP did make decisions. When he saw how catastrophic the L.E.A.D. program was, that women were being raped, people were being maimed, people were being killed, he decided to continue it anyway. When he had a chance to mourn with the corps over the death of Gary D., he chose, instead, to point fingers of blame at undeserving people. When he saw that his boozing and carousing was a factor in the death of Sandra Sullivan, he could have decided to show some remorse and repentance and conduct himself in a manner more fitting of the position he held. Instead, he carried on with his unsavory behavior as usual. When he had a chance to counsel Kristen in an appropriate manner, he decided, instead, to take advantage of her vulnerability. I think I better stop there for the sake of saving space.