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Oops! I must be slipping. That whole retemory thing started in DWA. That's the class that teaches that devil spirits are everywhere and they're out ta gitcha iffen ya don't watch out..Bwaaaahaha! En Garde!

Or maybe it was because he had a "prophesy" while listening to Act Naturally.

Let me know if you need to borrow my retemory cards.

Am I missing something here? Even when I was a kid in Sunday School we learned what happened to the foolish man who built his house upon the sand.

Fellow Laborers was bait-and-switch---promised us one thing and gave us something else. I think maybe Wierwille envisioned it to be a way of developing Way Corps "franchises" around the country. Like the satellite locations that have become popular with colleges. Away from the main campus but under his authority. Thought he could control us remotely. Well, we were controlled alright, but it wasn't by him personally. When it didn't work the way he thought it should, he abandoned us like a ship wreck. Left us stranded on some deserted island. In all the time I was there, he never visited us once. In retrospect, I can see it had already started to crumble.

Very true. Quite embarrassing to admit you've been wrong for the last 20, 30. 40 years.

How else can I say this? Building a "ministry" on a set of principles that has proven to be flawed is just plain wrong, especially if it involves magical thinking mumbo-jumbo. The only one I can find myself agreeing with is number five. 5.Go forth as leaders and workers in areas of concern, interest and need. At least that's generic enough to apply to non-religious efforts.

Yeah, like getting divorced and continuing to live in the same house together.

How is that relevant? Ever consider how much Wierwille's fleet of motorcycles was worth? Didn't stop him from demanding more, more, more.

It should have never been "centralized" to begin with. It began to collapse the moment VPW denuded Way West and Way East.

Absolutely! "A hypocrite in all his might, so wrong in that he thinks he's right."

The question has been raised (paraphrasing)----"Was Wierwille mentally ill or simply a con-man?" I see no reason to discount the possibility he was both a con-man AND mentally ill. He lived long enough to see the horrific consequences of his con game and seemed to display no genuine remorse. In fact, the only remorse we see being attributed to him, whether real or contrived, is his remorse for his own self and his inability to maintain his facade unscathed for posterity. He knew it was a con yet he seemed to feel no sympathy for his victims. It's engraved in stone ----"I wish I were the man I knew to be." What was he regretting? That his con hadn't been more successful? That his scheme might have been exposed? What does that statement really even mean? Remorse for himself ----That's the only remorse he felt.

I realize your question is directed at Groucho but I'll throw in my 2cents. I think he was a natural. He may have learned to hone his craft by observing and studying other con-men, but I think he was naturally inclined to follow this course. Whether his natural inclination was a product of "nature or nurture" is a whole other ball of wax. Maybe it was a bit of both. I'm quite convinced, at this point, that his whole "revelation" charade was nothing more than a theatrical gimmick that he developed using the definitions he found in Bullinger's writings. (ie: WOK, WOW, DOS, etc.)

One of the newer "splinters" has declared its purpose to be fulfillment of "The Corps Principles". How can that possibly help anyone? Here's a little something from their site: ******************************* The S.O.W.E.R.S. program is full time 24/7. Generally, 4 hours work/ 4 hours study per day. Various challenging program opportunities and projects. During session, students will be provided room and board. Students will need to provide for their own needs beyond room and board. Program to be administered on an honor basis. Any volunteer may be dismissed at any time and/or program cancelled [sic] at sole discretion of those charged with oversight. To Fearlessly Pursue an Understanding of these Principles: 1. Acquire an in-depth spiritual perception and awareness. 2. Receive training in the whole Word so as to be able to teach others. 3. Physical training making your physical body, the vehicle of communication of the Word, as vital as possible. 4. Practice believing to bring material abundance to you and the Ministry. 5. Go forth as leaders and workers in areas of concern, interest and need. *************************** Source: My link Lots of "red flags", IMO

"He was a mean man."-----------Mrs. W.

Actually, they used the money to promote PLAF (The Wonder Class), which was designed to generate more money which was used to promote PLAF (The Wonder Class), which was designed to generate more money to promote PLAF (The Wonder Class), which was----------------------. Anything extra was used to buy motorcycles, classic cars, jets, motor coaches,---------you get the picture, I'm sure.

Well, it couldn't be Paul because he sang "When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me." (Obviously about debuhl spurt visitation.) And it couldn't be George because, even though he sang about , he was into Eastern Religion and obviously a "seed boy". Soooooo, I'll go with Ringo because he he sang about a love affair with a young girl who was only ".

VP used this 3rd person technique frequently. Page 95 What happens when people fail to understand The Word? They succumb to all the doctrines and theories of man Page 95 A woman once wrote to me regarding one of our broadcasts. She had appreciated my preaching because it agreed with what she thought. Suppose------that it had disagreed? Page 96 After the second session a man came to me and said, "I think this is the most logical Biblical teaching I have ever heard, but," he said, "it is upsetting me because I have always held other opinions and I don't want to change my mind. You are confusing me." This gentleman did not finish the class because he already had his mind closed. That was his privilege----." Page 99 Too many ministers like to talk around The word, yada, yada, yada, yada ************************************************ To the rank and file believers, he would never directly say, "I think you're stupid if you don't do it my way." So, he would give you a 3rd person example of someone he declared to be stupid and hoped you would identify with that person. Ok, that's pretty far off topic but I think it shows, in part, how he got us to buy into some of these inaccuracies.

Well, as long as they're "kinder and gentler" everything will be alright.

But if I really say it The radio won't play it Unless I lay it between the lines.

Page 9---"the orange book" Many times people say to me in my classes on Power for Abundant Living, "Dr. Wierwille, you sure get excited about your Biblical research." That is right; why shouldn't I be enthusiastic------- Here we see that Wiewille allowed himself to be recognized as a 'Dr." when in fact his so-called doctorate came from a degree mill. This is not only actual, it's deliberately deceptive. In addition, he allows the reader to believe that the so-called research originated with him, when in fact, he plagiarized undisclosed sources. These are items that are not subject to opinion, they are "actual"

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I wish I had been around for that stuff. It would have made leaving soooooooo much easier.