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The abortion issue is like one of those handy-dandy screwdrivers that can do 16 different jobs. When people get close enough to a particular issue to begin to understand it, simply bring out the trusty 16AS tool and dissemble it (the issue) beyond the point of recognition.

How can you offend someone who states point blank they only came here out of boredom?

There have been several threads that have discussed this issue. One, specifically, deals with the dilemma his death from cancer presents. I'm not very skilled in doing searches but here is the essence of the dilemma: FIRST Wierwille taught, in the AC, that cancer is caused by devil spirits. More bluntly, that if you have cancer, you are possessed. Though he softened that message a bit in his delivery. Now the dilemma If Wierwille was correct, it means we were following a man who was devil possessed. If Wierwille was wrong, it destroys his credibility regarding spiritual matters. It means he could have been wrong about anything and everything. Either way, it's a losing situation. edit: Check THIS out. And THIS

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Certainly a whole lot of food for thought here.

Welcome aboard, kaptain k. That nagging feeling that, somehow, "it must of been your own fault"----------It's so liberating to finally realize the whole thing was a sham----It wasn't your fault at all. Care for a spot on the house?

Did this foray relieve your "boredom"?

Yes, it sounds remarkably like Wierwille stitched together bits and pieces of things he encountered in the writings of Eli Stanley Jones, who spent many years in India. Even Wierwille's concept of the "Advance" is curiously similar to the Ashrams that Jones fashioned after the better known Hindi model. Here is an interesting link to some information on E. S. Jones that contains a noteworthy podcast. Listen and see if you spot any similarities to content and style, with a special emphasis being placed on sessions 11 and 12 of PFAL. http://www.asbury.edu/archives/bios/e-stanley-jones Oops! I meant this link: http://methodistthinker.com/2009/05/04/podcast-dr-e-stanley-jones-on-the-gift-of-the-holy-spirit/

While it was not in the PFAL class, Wierwille often boasted that he invented the "hook shot". ************************************** Goose Tatum From Hoopedia Jump to: navigation, search Reece "Goose" Tatum (May 31, 1921 – January 18, 1967) was an African American multi-sport athlete. Born in El Dorado, Arkansas, Tatum played Negro League Baseball before becoming a star basketball player with the Harlem Globetrotters. He is considered to be the original "clown prince" of the Trotters. He wove numerous comic routines into his play, of which many would reach cult status. Some of these routines were based on his stature -- it is reported that he had an arm span of about 84 inches and could touch his kneecaps without bending. He is credited with having invented the hook shot, sometimes called the skyhook, a shot for which superstar Kareem Abdul-Jabbar would become famous. http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Goose_Tatum

I don't personally remember getting "bullied" in TWI. Manipulated?----You bet! Exploited?------Ditto! On second thought, I guess you could say some of the abuse that was dished out in Fellow Laborers was bullying. I don't respond very favorably when people try to push me around like that now. But then they usually shift gears and go into the manipulation mode,maybe even try the guilt angle. I'm a little softer touch with that stuff---sigh

Does this make sense? ************************* PFAL--page 30,31 "At the next stop a man came to our compartment in the train saying that he was representing his master who wanted to come and meet the man of God. He said his master was so-and-so, a member of Parliament in New Delhi, who was also riding on the train. The member of Parliament then came to our compartment to tell Mrs. Wierwille and me that what he had seen in *Jubbulpore was the most tremendous Christian event he had ever witnessed-that a man of God would bless all God's people irrespective of whether they were Christian or Hindi. He offered us the keys to his city and said that any time we wanted to minister in India, the doors of India and the Far East would be open to us to teach the accuracy and the greatness of God's Word." ************************* Wierwille finds himself in a part of the world that is decidedly non-Christian and heals a man in an event that couldn't possibly have been witnessed by more than a handful of people in the close proximity. Then, news of the event spreads so quickly, in an era when the flow of information was decidedly slow, that a member of Parliament in New Delhi gave him the coveted key to his city. *New Delhi is the 8th largest city in the world, with a population of about 12,000,000. (Just a tad larger than New Knockwurst) *New Delhi *Jabalpur had a population of about 1,120,000 in 2001. The population of *Allahabad, the city whose newspaper supposedly covered the key to the city event, is 1,215,348! (2008) *Allahabad ************************ Several other things stand out in my mind. 1. Wierwille seemed to offer no objection to being addressed as a man of God. 2. He offered no objection to non-Christians being refered to as "God's people", a direct contradiction of his PFAL lessons. 3. The name of Mr.So-and-So, the member of Parliament, is conspicuously omitted. 4. The man supposedly gave Wierwille the authority to teach anywhere in the entirety of India and The Far East, as if one member of Parliament has that much singular authority. 5. The man didn't marvel at the healing, he marveled that "a man of God would bless all God's people, irrespective of whether they were Christian or Hindi." In other words, he marveled at-----Wierwille.

How ironic! It might be interesting to examine this more closely in a separate discussion.

Wadda ya mean BECOME God?

Perhaps. But TESLA, the true inventor of the radio, would have faced less opposition.

Actual error: Page 6, PFAL "A fountain has an unlimited supply of water." Most fountains I have seen simply recycle the same supply of water. Even a natural fountain is limited by the aquifer which supplies it. Simply stated, a fountain is limited by the source that supplies it. Perhaps the meaning has something to do with purity or refreshing qualities or something else. I don't know. I find it hard to accept, though, that the meaning is focused on limitlessness since that is one quality that a fountain does not possess. Why would God compare himself to something that is limited in order to express His limitlessness? This is simply private interpretation on VPW's part. Not knowing the true meaning of the scripture that contains the fountain reference, Wierwille assigned an erroneous meaning to it in order to suit his agenda.

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I guess this one's been hanging around here long enough now. I'll post the answer and someone can take a free post. As Tears Go By

Jeff You might want to be more specific. What sort of bullying did you see at RRF? What sorts of things would you consider bullying at GSC? It's easier to deal with this stuff if specifics are introduced rather than addressing "certain things". In other words, I think it would help if you could narrow the scope a bit.

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I suppose we ought to lighten up in case the kid is looking in. Wouldn't want him to get the impression he's following the legacy of a bunch of drunken rapists or somethin'.

Yeah. I used to ask that question too. The answer I always got was that we had to remain flexible enough to change as new "truth" came to light. Is that a real hoot or what? PFAL was practically engraved in granite.

Oh, I don't know. Maybe he's just been real busy putting all those upper case VP's and lower case vp's in his study Bible.

Kinda reminds me of the old puzzle. Q. If a bear runs X miles per hour and the woods is X miles wide----how far into the woods can he run in a day? A. Half way---After that, he's running OUT of the woods.

When I was but a young pup and running my very first "tree appendage", I made the mistake of telling the new attendees of our cozy group that we were "affiliated" with The Way. After the meeting, the leader of the next larger "tree appendage" made certain I knew that we were not "affiliated" with The Way, we WERE The Way! (circa: 1972)