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Happy B-Day, D man.

So then, the whole eye and liver thing could possibly be a red herring?

Here's one from my "homeboy".

Generally speaking, there are four ways the body will heal itself from injury. The first type is called primary healing. In this type of healing, a damaged cell is replaced with an exact duplicate. Superficial damage to the outer layer of the corner (there are 5 total) takes place in this manner. This is the kind of injury that contact lens wearers experience when they have abrasions. It is also the type that happens in response to flashburn. There is no scarring or evidence left in its wake.("Welders Cataracts" are not a form of healing per se, but merely a response to interrupted metabolic processes.) The second type is called, of course, secondary healing. This is the kind you experience when you do something like cut your finger on a sharp piece of glass. The cells that replace the damaged ones are quite functional but are not duplicates of the originals. The result is what we call a scar. The third type is called tertiary. Some people, such as myself, experience this as a result of surgical incision. In this type of healing, not only does a scar form, but extra tissue, called keloid, develops at the site as well. It's like a scar "on steroids". They itch like the dickens from time to time. The fourth type, called quaternary, is the result of traumatized tissue being replaced with cancerous tissue. There is no way of determining whether his cancer was related to the insults from bright lights without first having knowledge of the specific location of the cancer's origin. The eye is a mighty complex place. Stating that "the cancer was in the eye" is simply not specific enough to draw conclusions. It would seem unlikely though that the cancer was a response to trauma if, in fact, it originated in a region not associated with the original insults.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5yG1Dy5b4A...feature=related

I'm not sure it's possible to compare divorce in Biblical times to divorce today. Our culture is so radically different from theirs, the parallels are not easy to discern.

Dave While I see your point about homogenization, I find I really can't agree. On the small work crew, of which I am a part, we have people from Ghana, Niger, Somalia, Tanzania, Ivory Coast and Mexico. They all speak multiple languages. One person actually speaks 8 languages quite fluently. America is truly a "melting pot". The fact that cults tend to dress alike and use selective phrases to exclude themselves from the masses is a byproduct not a defining component. Charismatic leadership, insight into some privileged knowledge, obsession with the group and its activities, exclusion of outsiders, etc. is more what one tends to think of when defining a cult.

Yeah, I see what you are saying, Spoudazo but what I really want to understand is what sort of specific activities did VP and LCM consider "standing in the gap"? I mean, did they think trying to operate the magic "law" of believing defined it? Did they involve themselves in some sort of fasting or prayer vigil? What physical or mental activities would be considered "standing in the gap"? If you disregard the Jesus connection for a moment, it really appears that this was just another silly catch phrase that had no real meaning (Like "It's The Word, The Word, and nothing but The Word!".)

Send In The Clowns----Judy Collins

I can understand how long term exposure to UV can contribute to cancer but this is garden variety flashburn, for gosh sakes. And, it wasn't long term. It was for a couple weeks or so. I don't doubt that he may have experienced discomfort from corneal burns or even that his exposure might have accelerated potential cataract development, but cancer from a couple weeks in a film studio? I ain't buying it.

Exactly what was it they were doing that they called "standing in the gap"?

Ya see, I have this "friend" who has a problem--------

I've known a few welders in my time. I've even done a bit of welding and cutting myself, though I've probably done much more cutting than welding. Sometimes when you are welding, your mask doesn't drop into place quite quickly enough. When you are cutting, often times you forgo the mask altogether, especially if you happen to wear glasses that would deflect spatter. What can happens in these situations is that you get something called "flashburn". You don't feel it right away. In fact, you usually don't feel it until the day is over and you are home from work. But, when it kicks in, it is very painful. A simple trick an old welder taught me is to cut slices of raw potatoes and put them on your closed eyelids. There is nothing magical in raw potatoes. They simply seem to hold a cool temperature which soothes the pain in the eyes. I think this is much like the ice pack accounts that have been stated. Long story short, this is the result of over exposure to infra-red light. (Think "hot" when you think of infra-red.) Flashburn is short lived. It will usually correct itself within 24 hours. There is also a long term effect from multiple flashburns. Any time the metabolism of the lens inside the eye is disrupted, there is potential for cataract formation. There is even a particular type of cataract that is called "welder's cataract" though you don't have to be a welder to develop it. Chronic exposure to IR (infra red light), of any origin, is the primary cause. This type of problem is not usually associated with cancers because UV is the villain in those scenarios. Could VPW have gotten "flashburn" from improper use of studio lights? I think he could have. But would this translate into a causitive factor for his ocular melanoma? It's not very likely based on current information. I don't have any problem accepting that he experienced flashburn from the filming process. I find it to be a real stretch, though, to link the filming to his malady.

Gotta scoot. The old work routine and all that. Somebody want my turn?

Thank you for starting this thread, JeffSjo. It was tough finding out I had been duped. What was tougher, though, was realizing I had played an unwitting role in the deception of others. There is an understandable sense of guilt that accompanies that realization. Knowing you feel a sense of remorse for your contribution, however big or small, says a whole lot, at least to me, about the integrity of your personal character. It's a serious topic, not one to be dismissed lightly.

Jonny Why didn't you just ask him what he did?

I think I would have to Blame It On The Bossa Nova by Eydie Gorme. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWVbTlWsk4I

Would entrance to the inner circle involve being blindfolded, eating some ungodly hot root or pepper(or something) and swearing to never reveal what secrets lurk in the inner sanctum? errrrr--never mind. You didn't hear it from me.---Mum's the word.

Fire and Rain----JT Gotta go to work. Freebie?

Well------------------------- I do seem to have a bit more space on my bookshelves now.

Shame on you, Frank. Didn't you take any notes in your Pyramid Schemes 101 class?

Jimmy Scott

Here's what really caught my--errrr--attention. When he was passing around his prosthetic eye, his actually eye had, of course, already been removed. So, he knew at this point in time that he had ocular melanoma, though he possibly was not aware it had spread to his liver. Yet, he continued to promote the story about the lights in PLAF (The Wonder Class) Sounds like we were the ones who got snagged with the hook.

Rock on! It's YOUR day!