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Shame on you, Frank. Didn't you take any notes in your Pyramid Schemes 101 class?

Jimmy Scott

Here's what really caught my--errrr--attention. When he was passing around his prosthetic eye, his actually eye had, of course, already been removed. So, he knew at this point in time that he had ocular melanoma, though he possibly was not aware it had spread to his liver. Yet, he continued to promote the story about the lights in PLAF (The Wonder Class) Sounds like we were the ones who got snagged with the hook.

Rock on! It's YOUR day!

It's been said that Fidel Castro was quite a baseball player in his day though it's not clear whether he invented any baseball technique that rivals the importance of the hook shot.

In general, the category of sunlight that is most suspected of contributing to this rare form of cancer is UVB. UVB has a wavelength range of 280-315nm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet Does anyone here know any specifics regarding the lighting used to film the class? Comparing the spectral values might be helpful.

It's my understanding he was introduced to the more "radical" materials he promoted via his direct correspondence with extremist groups.

Given the opportunity to compare VPW to various historical figures, who would you choose and why?

I never said it did. It does, however, demonstrate that he was not "contrary" in his tenets as you would have us to believe.

"belief in Aryan superiority and Jewish inferiority" That doesn't contrast VP, it describes him. He promoted Anti-Semitic literature and had direct ties to Liberty Lobby. Actions certainly do speak louder than words.

1-2-3,What are we fightin' for?

Happy! Happy!! Happy!!!

Love is what we came here for.

Is this your own opinion or are you posting at someone else's request?

blue rondo--Where classical melds with jazz (and technique and emotion fuse.) I especially love the "minor" touches that Dave inflects at about the 4:00 mark and following. What an amazing piece of music. Thanks, Don.

First, please allow me to apologize for taking this discussion off track into a discussion of what is and isn't stroke related. There was a casual comment made regarding a stroke and I became distracted and veered off topic. My personal belief is that the man developed a horrendous disease I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. His death was a result of this disease, as evidenced by his death certificate. (Which can be found on the front page.) Likewise, his will (or lack of) to live was an effect that is common to such situations. Attributing his death to anything theological or esoteric is, in my opinion, erroneous. I hope that clarifies my opinion.

Thanks for this, RG: Debate Rules and Suggestions Advice on Debating with Others Avoid the use of Never. Avoid the use of Always. Refrain from saying you are wrong. You can say your idea is mistaken. Don't disagree with obvious truths. Attack the idea not the person. Use many rather than most. Avoid exaggeration. Use some rather than many. The use of often allows for exceptions. The use of generally allows for exceptions. Quote sources and numbers. If it is just an opinion, admit it. Do not present opinion as facts. Smile when disagreeing. Stress the positive. You do not need to win every battle to win the war. Concede minor or trivial points. Avoid bickering, quarreling, and wrangling. Watch your tone of voice. Don't win a debate and lose a friend. Keep your perspective - You're just debating. You need to be very polite when disagreeing with someone in English, even someone you know quite well. With someone you know very well, you can disagree more directly. A little refresher course never hurt anybody.

Knockin' On Heaven's Door--------Robert "Zimmy" Zimmerman (AKA--Bob Dylan)

Hey ya'll My grandson Cletus (that's his name) says the chicken crossed the road to escape my other grandson Cleophus (he's the ornery one) who was chasing it with a big frying pan in hand. Personally, I suspect my granddaughter Clara Belle (that's short for Helen) had a hand it somehow. Hmmmmmm! Come to think of it, whenever we have Shake n' Bake, she does seem rather eager to "hep".

Rascal I understand your point. But, no, this was more of what would typically be associated with aphasia, which is a result of "stroke". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphasia Several other people in the group I was with had the same impression. Sorry, I don't recall the exact year but it was a very large limb meeting with hundreds of people in attendance.

In retrospect, there are so very many instances that I thought were God inspired but turned out to be false, such as all the propaganda from Liberty Lobby that he passed off as revelation, that it is difficult for me to consider that anything at all was really from God. Much like the boy who cried "Wolf!" I suppose. That's just my opinion. Everyone has one.

A Sunday Kind Of Love

The exact words, unfortunately, have been eroded by time. However, that was the message that was conveyed, not to me personally, but to a roomful of branch leaders, class instructors, etc., in an officially sanctioned "leaders meeting" by one of the Rev.'s Those types of meetings were not recorded for posterity like SNS as they were never intended for the ears of the general populace. On another occasion,(on tape, somewhere, maybe AC) when discussing the work of Bishop K.C. Pillai, Wierwille said the only problem he had with Pillai was that he STILL held to Trinitarian doctrine, as if to say(based on the context of the teaching) that one of the two of them had changed their position. I don't think there is any doubt that VPW was a Trinitarian at one point. The question is, when did he assume a monotheistic stance? As to the mis-speak: I asked why they simply did not do a retake once the error was discovered. I was told that these sessions were one time only events and the essence of it would be lost if it was redone. That's the kind of thing you expect to hear in a recording studio or movie set, not a class that is supposed to be about Biblical research.

I'm fairly certain he had a stroke. When he taught at an Ohio limb meeting in about 1980, it was apparent that something was amiss. His gait was unsteady and he searched for words that eluded him. My first impression was that he had a stroke. It was a packed auditorium so I'm sure someone else must remember.