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I agree. This is especially true in our current geopolitical climate, where several generations have been conditioned to believe that this or that ethnicity is evil or inferior. These beliefs, if given enough time, do seem to become diluted in the general populace. I think the same will hold true of this trinity issue. Perhaps in another 100 years people will scratch their heads and wonder why people were so consumed with something that doesn't seem to matter to them anymore. edit: As I was typing this, I was thinking specifically about the issue of Korea's "comfort women" and how subsequent generations following WWII have adjusted their beliefs and attitudes as time itself dilutes the first hand and second hand memories.

The Holy Trinity 1. Treat people the way you would like them to treat you. 2. Help those in need when it's possible to do so. 3. Have fun while you can, 'cause fate's an awful thing.

So much for "reaching up into Daddy's cookie jar".

I see you point but I don't think terrorists are driven by irony. I think they simply seize on opportunity as it presents itself. OK... Back To discussing Billy Graham

"Graham was also close to Richard Nixon — so close that Graham took it upon himself to draft a secret 13-page plan to bomb North Vietnam. In his book “The Golden Age Is In Us: Journeys and Encounters,” Alexander Cockburn cites a declassified 1969 memo Graham wrote after meeting with missionaries in Bangkok. Graham’s plan, he wrote to Nixon, “could overnight destroy the economy of North Vietnam.” Had Nixon followed through, that strike could have killed an estimated million people."

Proclaim = to say something. "These ideas are useful because I said so." +-+ -+

Fixed that for you.

Well, first of all, people DID get missed. Did you ever run a class? People got missed. I guarantee it. In addition, there are many modern denominations that have practiced speaking in tongues, many dating back to before Wierwille was even born. (see: Charles Fox Parham) Lastly, regarding penetration of the hippy culture: You actually have that backwards. There was a very large "Jesus Freak" movement afoot in the 1960's, before what became The Way as we came to know it. Jimmy Doop and Steve Heefner were very successful at promoting their message to the hippy culture. Wierwille abducted their ministries to form The Way International. You can find that history in detail on these GSC forums

And who did the grads give it to? Still illegal. So now you're comparing yourself to Brother Andrew? I think we both agree, Brother Andrew broke some laws. The difference between you and I is that you think we can pick and choose which laws we decide to obey.

Despite what you may think, that doesn't make it legal. Every time you gave the class away for free, you deprived the organization of an income opportunity.

Mike, it's one think for you to boast you are willing to and have consciously violated what are clearly established laws of the land. That's your choice. To suggest you know what was in the minds of people 50 and 60 years ago is beyond ridiculous. Did these people you are referencing even know Wierwille was stealing this material? I'm pretty sure they didn't, as Wierwille promoted himself as having insider information that hadn't been known for 2,000 years. edit: You do realize, don't you, that you openly admitted to breaking the law. "It was with great pride that I helped hundreds of other grads in 1988 to smash the copyright grip the Board of Trustees had on our lives and THRUST the film class and books into the public domain WHERE IT BELONGS."

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Hey there, annio. Did you know you name means "no" in Korean? (아 니 요) That's some poetic justice. "Just say NO to TWI"

You've been watching too many Andy Griffith reruns.

And you know this...how?

As I recall, B.G. Leonard was none too pleased with the copying of his work, though I don't think he pursued any formal, legal action aside from copyrighting his own works after that as a result.

Ask anyone who was in FellowLaborers how that works out. I'll give you three guesses. The first two don't count.

Well, ya see, guys, here's how it works...Stealing a car is illegal. If you get caught, ya got big problems. BUT (the obligatory big but) if you are stealing the car so you can get to the PFAL class, it's okay. Just ask any judge. They'll tell ya.

To this I say ...BALONEY.

Tweaked, you say? Hahahahaha! Okay, let me 'splain this in a very simple way: Someone bakes a cake... Someone else comes along and puts some icing on it... Then, you decide to write "Happy Birthday" on it. Do you then say, "Hey, everybody, look at the cake I made!"?

Would you mind citing a reference for this?

Excuse me??? That's the primary basis he cited as his source for PFAL. You even posted examples of it very recently. Are you even thinking about this stuff before you post it?

I'll use what he expressed in public forums, such as the PFAL class, as the basis of my assertion, as only a few of us here were privy to what he expressed in private conversations.

That quote was made by Penworks.