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What do you know about medications for depression? It seems maybe not much. SSRIs (very common type of medications for depression and anxiety) don't make people look or act like zombies. One of the things "they did to him" was give him money to live on. Reportedly, at some point, about $60k/yr. Another thing "they" did was divorce him. But if you like what he has to say, then enjoy.

Okay, I see the Way Mag at the links. However, there's NFW I'm going to read much of it. Bolshevik, does it (the linked Way Mag) mention stoic philosophy at all?

The Obstacle is the Way For some of us The Way has been the Obstacle ;) Ego is the Enemy Stillness is the Key Yeah, you DO have a right to your feelings. I started learning about Stoic philosophy (and ways of looking at life and events) about four years ago. I very much prefer it over being imprisoned by Wierwille's private interpretations of Christianity and the bible as we learning in the pflap class. I am much more able to stay calm and work through challenges I face. Wierwille learned the language of Christianity enough to sell his version. Yet, it seems even though he could talk the talk, much of the darkness in his personal practices and the subculture he built might be directly traceable to not learning stoic lessons on Ego. For him, it perhaps was his primary adversary.

Now that's GRAVITAS. But it's NOT intellectual honesty. And it's not related to the interaction between you and I.

LOL... really? Where'd you learn to answer a question with a question? Did those who so taught you help you recognize the limitations of so reacting? First, what makes you think I suggested I had or needed to have such awareness? My rhetorical questions did not remark about your ability or inability. Posing that particular question is not contingent on my awareness of anyone's ability. Rather, your reactionary approach to only deflect (look over there...) REflects your lack of awareness of biblical declaration that it is only God who can examine and determine what is actually in the hearts of humans. But thank you for affirmatively, or at least by default, acknowledging said lack of awareness of that particular responsibility being only God's. By all means, continue to post at GSC, but also recognize/realize how easily people can rightfully criticize and take apart what you say. One would think that after 2 decades, you'd be able to learn and adapt what you "hold forth" to actually get better at doing so. But then again, you appear not to have so learned... much anyway.

WHO did Jesus look on with anger? Who did he address angrily? WHO are you to even have the most minute awareness of anyone's hardness of heart?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it sure looks like you missed the entire point of the post/comment you had quoted.

I favor Marcus these days. Mike could take a few lessons from his wisdom.

IF you COULD "take it," you probably wouldn't need to complain about it. Worry about (put your concern, time and energy into) what you CAN CONTROL rather than what others do to you, which you cannot control.

“Dr. Edith Eva Eger is my kind of hero. She survived unspeakable horrors and brutality; but rather than let her painful past destroy her, she chose to transform it into a powerful gift—one she uses to help others heal.” —Jeannette Walls, author of The Glass Castle “The Choice is a gift to humanity. One of those rare and eternal stories that you don’t want to end and that leave you forever changed. Dr. Eger’s life reveals our capacity to transcend even the greatest of horrors and to use that suffering for the benefit of others. She has found true freedom and forgiveness and shows us how we can as well.” —Desmond Tutu, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Eger, Edith. The Choice: Embrace the Possible (p. I). Scribner. Kindle Edition.

Yeah, of course you can dismiss my thoughts. But still, if in 10 or 20 years from now you don't know much more than you do now, and hence broaden your perspectives on lots of things, that would be a tragedy in itself.

Here's another relevant link: It’s 1944 and sixteen-year-old ballerina and gymnast Edith Eger is sent to Auschwitz. Separated from her parents on arrival, she endures unimaginable experiences, including being made to dance for the infamous Josef Mengele. When the camp is finally liberated, she is pulled from a pile of bodies, barely alive. The horrors of the Holocaust didn’t break Edith. In fact, they helped her learn to live again with a life-affirming strength and a truly remarkable resilience. The Choice is her unforgettable story. **** Btw, now in her 90s, Edith is still alive "and kicking." Her story is phenomenal.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30753738-the-choice I reiterate, you are NOT a victim, no matter how hard you try to play one on GSC. And GSC doesn't victimize people. Edith Eva Eger WAS victimized but chose not to embrace the victim mentality. Doing so allowed her an emotionally fulfilling and rewarding life. IF you (Mike) feel victimized here by social dynamics that you experience as a push for conformity... well, who's making you continue to post or read anything here?

I get it. Perhaps in a decade or two, what you learn in the meantime will change your perspective. I expect you will learn a lot in such a duration. I'm not suggesting I know what you'll learn, but only that you will learn more than you know now.

Answer: lockbox. Mike said: In addition to how Twinky addressed these two paragraphs, I will add that you may have a desire to do so, but you don't learn how to be a historian by washing windows. Your writing skills are atrocious. Your interviewing skills? Well, from reading your screed for so long, I surmise that you have no idea how to get anyone to open up and share meaningful, relevant insight. IOW, there's NFW you could accomplish this. People with journalistic background HAVE written histories of TWI. People with good writing skills HAVE written their twi experience stories. However, IF you were to use your self-lauded academic contacts (meaning YOU have lauded your ability to connect with highly educated individuals in science) to connect with historians with an interest in cults... or if you prefer, interest in out-of-the-mainstream Christian fundamentalist sects, you MIGHT be able to collaborate with one or more of them who actually COULD do a serious academic write up on twi's history. They MIGHT have skills that could convince the twi directors to sanction such an effort. But the realistic likelihood those directors would allow it for anything other than hagiography is somewhere between slim and none.

HAHAHAHA! Nope, You are NOT a victim no matter how hard you try to play one. If God is Love, don't be a jerk.

Pretty much.

There is SOOOOOOOOO much more to the situation than you claiming to be a victim. You're not a victim. You come here knowing your viewpoint is grossly at cross purposes to the stated mission of GSC. IF you were to get honest about it, the story would go more like this: I, Mike harass and abuse posters here because I can. I've been given permission to do so. If I were to accept this reality, I might be more inclined to take John Pavlovitz's guidance, which is on sweatshirts the pastor sells with the title of his most recent book clearly displayed on the front. https://pavlovitzdesign.com/products/if-god-is-love-hooded-sweatshirt and this on a tote bag sold by Pavlovitz Designs.

Speaking of human nature... it's human nature to communicate. Yet, content has expanded by orders of magnitude over the millennia. I suspect study of the content in NK (not North Korea) in the 1990s and early 2000s would/could provide immense anthropological insight into studies of community survival. Have any of you ever wondered about how/why WOW families faced resistance in communities they attempted to occupy and proselytize in? Might that be related at all to the phenomenon Bolshevik described from his experience after word of the Allen lawsuit started spreading like wildfire?

And it didn't take long at all for opportunists of all kinds to exploit said opportunity.

Wonderful insight. As to twi obscuring the organization's history, unfortunately that's typical and human nature. It's been believed for eons that history is written by the victors. Well, the interwebs, aka the internet, DOES democratize the writing and recording of history such that it's NOT ONLY the victorious who get to write their stories. THIS is why I am so enthusiastic about the history of Waydale and the Greasespot Cafe. Obviously, history is VIEWED through different lenses, different perspectives. I hope that in a decade or two, Bolshevik will see it differently than he does at this particular moment.

Speaking of "some devilish rumor mill..." that concept was, as I recall, endemic in the culture of twi in the 1970s and 1980s. Case in point, microwave ovens destroyed all of the nutritional content of food cooked in them. I mean, who's bee-HIND did they pull that stuff out of?