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Good one. I wish it was longer. I’ve previously referred to the increasingly prevalent idea among neuroscientists and physicists that consciousness is fundamental. Panpsychism Theory; Rupert Sheldrake’s (a Christian) Morphic Resonance Theory; Donald Hoffman’s Conscious Realism Theory… see also, philosophers Phillip Goff and Bernardo Kastrop… and others… This idea is more ancient than NT. Some modern scholars argue that a psychedelic experience (non-normal consciousness) was foundational to the Ancient Greek Eleusinian mystery cult. Plato pointed to a fundamental consciousness. And even the 13th century Christian Dominican theologian, Meister Elkhart, talked about God as the very “ground of being” - the ground of consciousness. No. The “word of knowledge” is not a precious, special “gift” given only to fundamentalist American evangelicals who merely name it and claim it. Paul didn’t have a monopoly on it, either, even if he believed he did. I don’t begin with conclusions like victor and Loy. I don’t begin with belief. I only know that I know that I don’t know, and there is great liberty and “power with impact” in the not knowing.

Not sure which one down and left you mean. Bill Hader?

Thanks, bliss. Em was also on a recent episode of the IndoctriNATION pod. https://m.soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/mark-avoid-w-em-thomas?ref=clipboard&p=i&c=0&si=10E753EC055A4873A9843355FD563C52 She's making the rounds. Good. Phuque these people.

There's your sign. Every time. The one claiming to have the truth is the one who surely does not.

B. G. Leonard https://ctcoftexas.com/about/

Reality! Ha! The most expensive item on the menu, yet still the best value.

Mmmph In case you were already asleep by session 1 of PFAL and missed the part where victor paul wierwille introduces himself by reading what Jesus said about him in John 10:10, everything you need to know about this little charlatan is revealed in his letters. Two of his letters (new to me) are on the first page of this thread. A brilliant little three page thread. I wish it went on for 30. Thanks you, @waysider for starting it.

It seems any book buying through LTA routes directly to Amazon where publishing rights of American Christian Press are protected. Furthermore, It seems anything “published,” sold or offered for download by LTA is nothing more than a transcription of a sermon. That Christ In You book is just a collection of transcribed sermons. (Existing or non-existing treaties have no bearing whatsoever.) As I understand it, victor paul wierwille’s sermons are in the public domain. A YouTube channel unaffiliated with TWI uploads transcribed sermons daily. —— Is it ironic that LTA purports to be on a mission supporting education and literacy and a “lifetime of learning” while at the same time promoting the spiritual flat earth ideology of wierwille and Bullinger? Good news! LTA makes it possible to donate books directly to those children being indoctrinated. Any ideas for a book I could send?

Details? Like the thousands of errors that riddle PFAL and the collaterals and Way mags? Details like that only matter if you beleeeve they do. Victor "taught" us that. Hey, I didn't write the book! They are imitating victor paul wierwille. Above all, they are standing... on his shoulders.

Hi, Alex. Welcome to the café.

I love how Moses knows what modern scholarly consensus says concerning authorship of the Torah, and I love that Jesus is able to cite chapter and verse from Paul's epistle to the Corinthians when asked if he is as fluent in glossolalia as I am. Really, this app is hilarious. A brilliant entrepreneurial scheme!

You aren’t alone in your interest in this topic. I’ve been playing with the free version. Though I’ve reached my limit, at 11:22pm I will be allowed to resume my conversation with Jesus. Or I could purchase a subscription for $2.99 which unlocks 95% of the functionality and access. Boy, oh boy, someone’s gonna get more than abundantly rich from this app! You can choose among 21 doctrinal belief systems by which your questions will be answered - from Southern Baptist to Catholic to JW, and many more! Or you can filter “no preference” to ensure traditional, consensus-scholarship answers. You can ask questions of the Holy Family, Apostles, Prophets and “Others,” including Noah and Mary Magdalene! I queried Moses, Noah, John the Baptist and Jesus. Moses seems to know that he didn’t write the Torah, but concedes tradition attributes authorship to him. Noah beat around the bush concerning the horrific ocean of corpses he sailed through, saying only that it was catastrophic. I asked John the Baptizer if Mike’s accusation had merit: I asked Jesus if he will be teaching from PFAL at his return: I don’t who is more cynical, the developers or I.

Sounds familiar. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Wow. That’s some salvation. Insight. At least possibly. Probably? Wasn’t ancient Greco-Roman society structured as you describe Polynesia?

Save them from what?

Mmmph

Clever.

More like a cigarette boat, and not merely aboard, but piloting with great athleticism, power and speed. There’s more than enough room on a cigarette boat for his handful of followers.

This letter could be used for an apophatic understanding of leadership and persuasive discourse. Who was Loy's teacher? Who is he imitating? On whose shoulders is he standing?

Did he write this while driving? Was no one available to proofread this letter before mailing? That huge, disjointed, stream of consciousness first paragraph is a rambling mess. I can hear the rage, the fury, the desperation, the fear. What a childish tantrum! If this is what "spiritual maturity" looks like.... mmmph.... no thanks.

"Their words and their convoluted explanations are simply a pretense for their greed and malicious intent." Well, well, well. Lookie who we have here. Our old friend Irony. Hello, Irony.

Mmmmph So many supernatural powers for sale, so many “teachings” available, so little time.

Forgiving others is not so difficult, except when it comes to forgiving the narc. That remains a challenge. But forgiving myself may be the most difficult of all.

Ha! “The whole thing.” Yeah, I think you’re on to something. The POP is an unintentional confession and indictment, even if Geer injected his own PI bullshonta. As are victor’s early letters to his fledgling congregation begging for money. As are his letters to “his Corps.” Boy, were those Corps letters a bad look! So revealing. No wonder they’ve been removed from public view.

In today's New York Times Magazine Daniel Dennet is interviewed in the "Talk" column. I thought of this thread topic when Dennet says, "We should recognize...that people are very reluctant to consider that they might be wrong. What if I'm wrong? That's a question I ask myself a lot. These people do not want to ask that question, and I understand why. They're afraid of what they might discover."