Nathan_Jr

Mike, Twinky moved your topic to Doctrinal. Please respect her request to continue your discussion there.

This is not a secret. Reminds me of a topic we were discussing earlier this week.

Well, the claim that "the Bible is the revealed word and will of God " is not a secret. A secret isn't merely information unknown, it's information intentionally concealed. Billions of Christians have proclaimed this idea to whomever would listen (or could be cornered) over the centuries. Hardly a secret. Whether or not one beleeeves the Bible to be the revealed word and will of God has no bearing whatsoever on this idea being a secret. Victor paul wierwille's regurgitation of this traditional theological premise contradicts what he "wrote" in PFAL. "No Bible translation nor version of the Bible is the word... the Bible is not the word..." (paraphrasing from page something something). Someone, please correct me if I got this wrong. ----- If there is a great secret, Love has something to do with it, I suspect. But I wouldn't venture to claim to know the greatest secret in the world today. If I did assert such a claim, I would advise you NOT to beleeeve me.

Welcome, Logic. Excellent first post connecting the dots. What was your parents’ response to these low grades in writing? Just curious. I suspect their response is the same as any fully conditioned follower. I praised my seventh grader earlier this year for his writing skills. He confessed he hated writing. I explained that good writing compels us to think clearly, to organize our thoughts, as you described above. His grades aren’t very good for several reasons. One is the contempt for education spewed by his mother and her vpw-worshipping family. Your story is encouraging. Thank you. ——- Does anyone have a digital copy of this “style guide” they could send me?

She didn't consider very carefully. She beleeeved the first seductive asserted claim she heard, as did so many who beleeeved victor paul wierwille. To my point. She should have. What advantage don't we have? Again, to my point. The AC is replete with errors and deception and bullshonta. Those "keys" have been throughly refuted and debunked right here in these pages. Is that what God expects? God, who is spirit, expects us to accumulate carnal, sensory knowledge? Then God should expect us to easily know the stupidity of four crucified - anyone who can read effectually by one of those senses knows the stupidity of that asserted claim. is that what you were taught? You would have been taught better to reject any "management" claiming spiritual authority. Is that what you were taught? So? The Way Corps is a tool of the cult founded by victor paul wierwille. The cult is The Way International, Inc. The Way Corps is a spiritually wicked offspring of a spiritually wicked carnal man born of a woman, victor paul wierwille.

Bravo! This reminds me only to believe something until there is no good reason to continue believing. It goes to why I don't believe in belief. Or, spelled with literal accuracy according to usage, beleeef. Curiosity, a seemingly rare and beautiful thing. Does one have freedom to be curious? Freedom to inquire? Freedom to question? Freedom to explore and follow the evidence wherever it leads? Freedom to find out? Are these not the freedoms required for learning? Or must one hold questions in abeyance?

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I think they are gone, Twinky. Too bad - I am still contemplating that topic.

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Apparently, Loy was unwilling to go beyond what he was taught by victor paul wierwille. Loy didn't know how (H-O-W) to lead effectually, because leadership motivates action by example, not by position; victor paul wierwille taught the opposite. Ironically, victor paul wierwille's devilish example emboldened Loy to be a failed leader and a miserable person in relation to others. As all English Bible translations go back to Tyndale, all abject wickedness in TWI 1, 2, 3, 4... goes back to victor paul wierwille.

1. Kindness 2. Shared vulnerability 3. Understanding and empathy I can accept that a good relationship REQUIRES these three -- at least these three. Thanks, Rocky.

Huh? WITAF is this supposed to mean? Who "taught" you this nonsense? Victor Paul Wierwille, founder of The Way International, Inc.? Is this in the collaterals? The AC? No.

Never too late for stories like this. Damn, this is good. Thanks, Waysider

How can one be instructed or commanded to be a cheerful giver? This seems counterintuitive to me. This passage in Paul is twisted by many religious institutions, not just TWI, to gaslight the earnest seeker to part with their money. If I give with the expectation to receive something in return, whether material wealth or future imagined spiritual rewards, then my motive is impure, no matter how cheerful I make myself. That is a quid pro quo transaction, and no amount of glove fitting can change this. Love does not keep score.

The very first article in this May/June issue cunningly suggests how (H-O-W) they will meet their need. https://content.yudu.com/web/1rz5c/0A1tgm5/MJ2023/html/index.html?page=4&origin=reader

May/June Way mag article on what time it is, page 34. https://content.yudu.com/web/1rz5c/0A1tgm5/MJ2023/html/index.html?page=34&origin=reader Virtually every sentence in this propaganda piece is a slice of rotten bread and an unintentional indictment.

Oh. Wow. Which ones?

"The accuracy and integrity of the Word." This phrase might have been the first one to cause a raised eyebrow and a "huh?" "So accurate!...Wow, the accuracy... Mmmmmph, the way it just fits together -- it's so accurate!...mmmmph...." I heard this bullshonta constantly. I never inquired of anyone in fellowship about it, because I knew it would be bullshonta on bullshonta with sprinkles on top. What I've always wanted to ask is, accuracy by what measure? I was in San Francisco for Mother's Day and made my supernatural brownies for Mom. When I bake, I use a scale. I find it makes all the difference, because baking involve ratios -- accuracy and precision matter. I can measure the mass of the sugar and flour and chocolate and butter with accuracy by using a scale. That's why I can say I'm accurate with the amounts. (Volumetric measurements have too much variance. A cup of flour may weigh 128g or 145 or 157... depending on how you fill that cup.) When at the shooting range, I know how accurate my shots are based the holes in the target. The accuracy of the shot is measured against the target. But, the accuracy of the Word? Accurate by what measure? Compared to what? Says who? Which scale? Which target?

All of this has been said before and since many times in various ways. Nothing new, but the composition, the phrasing was fun to read while waiting for my appointment -- especially those you mention. This from Oakspear is especially well-articulated. "Wierwille starts off by hammering on the theme of The Word is true, is faithful, is without error etc. Then he shows you that in modern translations there are errors, but then miraculously, through the power of research, solves the problem and voila! no errors. He spends a lot of time contrasting what mainstream churches teach with what he reads for us in black and white, all the while deriding the priests, popes and theologians for teaching otherwise, undermining our trust in anyone other than him! We hardly notice when he stops reading exactly what is written and starts slipping in his own interpretations, and most of us never realize that he's making up definitions and referring to texts and documents that exist only in his mind."

A damn near perfect little thread. Pure gold from everyone contributing.

Yes, it was. If one knows anything about translating foreign language, one should cringe at such an embarrassing, nonsensical phrase. Yes, because his “translation” is neither literal nor according to usage.

One would never even contemplate the baseless postulate of this topic, if only one had ears to hear and eyes to see both the good news AND the great news. They are AVAILABLE, the good news and the great news. One need only know HOW to get them. Once gotten, one must know what to do with them. Hint: keep the good news parallel to the great news. If one is feeling embarrassed about not knowing what parallel means, one need only employ imagination and fantastical thinking to get linguistically creative enough to force fit the word balance into the mix. And, if one doesn’t know what balance means (some don’t), who cares? One must simply MAKE it fit. Hey! Literal according to usage is a nonsensical phrase, also. I mean, which is it? Literal? Or according to usage? Hey! I didn’t write the book! Bless you little hearts.

Victor paul wierwille thought he knew God's timeline, too. (Actually, who tf knows what vic was thinking!) One time victor paul wierwille told a young man that his parents would be dead within five years. Boy, oh, boy, was ol' vic ever wrong about that! How wrong? Dead wrong, that's how. In fact, it was victor paul wierwille himself who was dead within five years, and that young man's parents lived on for decades. victor paul wierwille f*cked up BIG TIME. Boy, oh, boy, I'd hate to be him on THAT day. mmmmph