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www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/waydale/waydale-lawsuit/john-schoenheits-adultery--fornication_4.html Appendix A Reason: In the Old Testament men were allowed to have more than one wife. Surely things are not stricter in the "Grace Administration" than they were under the Law. God must allow men to have intercourse with other women besides their wives, especially single women. Answer: Men were allowed to have more than one wife in the Old Testament (Exodus 21:10 and Deuteronomy 21:15). That is not the case in the Grace Administration as Corinthians, Timothy, and Titus make clear. Timothy and Titus are specifically addressed to leaders in the church. According to I Timothy 3:2 and Titus 1:6, a "bishop" (episkopos), i.e., one who is a ruling elder, an overseer, in the church, must be the "husband of one wife." According to I timothy 3:12, the "deacons" (diakonos), i.e., one who serves in the Body of Christ, are also to be the "husband of one wife". Thus the Word of God clearly states that any man who serves in the Body of Christ must only have one wife. More than that, however, the Word of God declares that every Christian man should have just one wife and every Christian woman should have just one husband. Corinthians, which is addressed to every believer, addresses the one-husband, one-wife issue. Corinthians says "Let every man have his own wife and every woman have her own husband" (I Corinthians 7:2). This verse clearly sets the monogamous Christian marriage. If the wife is sharing her husband with other wives, then the husband is not "her own," but is shared property. Similarly, a woman is not to have more than one husband, for then she would not be "his own." Thus although the Old Testament Law allowed for more than one wife, the New Testament does not. Believers in the Grace Administration are not allowed to have more than one wife, and they are not allowed to "sleep around" either. I Corinthians 7:1: Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. The essential meaning of the word "touch" in this context is "touch as if the woman were your wife." Bauer's lexicon handles the word "touch" as sexual intercourse with a woman. In the Grace Administration, the wife is to meet the sexual needs of the husband and vice-versa. Even though the Old Testament Law made provision for a man to have more than one wife, there were laws governing people's sexual behavior. Each wife was to be well taken care of, having food, raiment and sexual companionship. Deuteronomy 21:10 If he take him another wife, her food her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. Adultery was forbidden in the ten commandments and was punishable by death (Exodus 20:14; Leviticus 20:10). Deuteronomy 22:22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that shall lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel. If a man had sexual intercourse with a free woman who was betrothed, that was also considered either adultery or rape. If the act occurred in the city, the act was considered to be adultery and the man and the woman were stoned to death. If the act occurred out in the countryside, the act was considered rape and only the man was killed (Deuteronomy 22:23-27). Thus, whether the betrothed woman was willing or not, if a man had intercourse with a betrothed free woman, he was killed. If a man had sexual intercourse with a slave who was betrothed, there were still consequences, but they were less severe. The woman was scourged (whipped) and the man fined. Leviticus 19:20-22 And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the Lord for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him. It is noteworthy that even though the consequences for adultery with a betrothed slave girl were less severe, the act itself was called a "sin" twice in verse 22. If a man had sexual intercourse with a single woman, he had to marry her. Exodus 22:16 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. The one exception to this occurred if the girl's father absolutely refused to let the man marry his daughter. In that case, the man was required to pay a fine equal to the "the dowry of virgins" (Exodus 22:17). Even if a man found a single woman and raped her, he had to marry her. Deuteronomy 22:28 and 29 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away (i.e. divorce her) all his days. These two verses refer to rape, according to the context. Verses 26 and 27, just prior to these, refer to rape, and the words "lay hold on her" in verse 28 indicate rape. The New International Version translates Deuteronomy 22:28 and 29 as follows: "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.* One reason the Law of Moses specified that single girls marry the man who seduced or raped them was that if a girl was not a virgin on her wedding night she could be stoned to death. Deuteronomy 22:10-21 But if this thing (the woman's not being a virgin) be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. From the above information it can be seen that Israel under the Law was not a sexual panacea, where men had the sexual affections of women freely available to them. If they had more than one wife, they had to make sure that each was well taken care of. If he seduced or raped a married or betrothed woman, he was stoned to death. If he seduced or raped a single woman, he was forced to marry her. People have tried to say that the Old Testament Law does not forbid a man to visit a prostitute or have intercourse with his slave girls. Although it is true that in practice men did visit prostitutes and take advantage of their slave girls, had the Law been properly applied, this would not have happened. Thus, if the Law was carried out, the master would have married his slave girl, and the prostitute would have married her first customer.** From the above evidence it can be seen that the men of the Old Testament did not live in a society where they had vast sexual freedom. Yes, they could have more than one wife, while we today in the Grace Administration cannot. Although the reasons why God allowed more than one wife in the Old Testament but only allows one wife today may not be clear, one thing is clear: The Word of God does say that today, in the Grace Administration, marriage is to be monogamous. Having sexual intercourse with a woman who is not your wife is a sin. www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/waydale/waydale-lawsuit/john-schoenheits-adultery--fornication_18.html My story (short version): In the spring of 1986 a girl came to me and said she had had sexual intercourse with Dr. Wierwille. I had no reason to doubt her as we were friends and she "had her head on her shoulders" in life. I started asking around to girls I knew always got to ride on the motor coach, fly on Ambassador 1, get "back room" duty instead of housekeeping or grounds, etc. Lo and behold, I talked to many women that were very candid about their sexual relations with leadership. Perhaps the most disturbing thing about those months was the developing picture was that this was not just practical sin based on lust but rather was sin based on wrong doctrine--many of the people involved thought it was okay with God. In fact, all of the "reasons" that I wrote about in my appendix came out of the mouths of women I talked to. I would ask them why they thought it was okay or why they were told it was okay and those were the reasons I got, so that is why I answered those specific questions. {So, his KNOWN victims over the legal age of consent should be thankful he waited until they were of legal age of consent before he raped, molested, drugged them? And he had to SEE THE FACES of SOME of those women to know "that they weren't blessed" to see a problem? A man who supposedly not only knew the Bible, but knew it well enough to teach others and claim he had an understanding that surpassed all those of the last 2000 years?]

The Wilburys are worth a listen. You'd listen, probably, if you didn't know them as Jethro, Muddy, Boo, etc but as Bob Dylan, George Harrison, Tom Petty, Roy Orbison, and Jeff Lynne (ELO).

I suspect there's almost no Traveling Wilburys fans here. Me, I'm a fan of Boo, Muddy, Otis, Charlie T Jr, etc. *snicker* This was the opening of "End of the Line." I forget if that was off the first album (Volume One) or the second (Volume Three.) BTW, some of us have Javascript turned OFF for any of a number of reasons. (Security, office firewall...) So, when you give the answer as a link or hotlink to a video, we see a blank space, or some abstract symbol. That means we have no idea what you were trying to say. So, how about actually writing out the name below the link, in the post, somewhere? If someone's logging in from a mobile device and they pay for bandwidth, they have to use up rationed bandwidth to get an answer you could have typed just as fast....

"Quite peaceful and highly rational." "Before you start quoting the Prime Directive -- he'd already seen us; the damage was done. It was bring him aboard or let him die." "Then why didn't you let him die?" "Because we were responsible for his injuries!" "I don't know if I concur with that reasoning, Doctor." "Like the Vulcans, they have highly ordered minds...A very sensible people. For example, Mintakan women precede their mates. It's a signal to other women." " 'This man's taken; get your own?' " "Not precisely... More like, 'if you want his services, I'm the one to negotiate with.' " "What kinds of 'services'?" "All kinds." "Ah. They are a sensible race." "There are the stories of the Overseer... who could appear and disappear at will..." "And couldn't this Overseer heal the dead?" "He had supreme power -- or so our ancestors believed." "I believe I've seen the Overseer..." "Uh-oh..." "He is called the Picard." "If you are father and daughter, you may have shared the same dream." "That is not reasonable." "No one's believed that for countless generations. Just as we no longer believe the stars control our fates, or that the spirits of the dead haunt the living." "I'm not saying all the old beliefs are true. But I did see the Picard, and I was restored to life." "This Palmer is one of the Overseer's servants?" "Yes -- the Picard has many servants. Isn't that true?" "According to the legends. But if Palmer is a servant of the Overseer, what was he doing in the cave?" "The Overseer was said to be all-powerful. He could provide gentle winters, plentiful hunting, fertile crops... anything." "You've angered the Picard -- and we may all suffer for it!" Weren't there stories of the Overseer destroying those who offended him?" "Stories. Nothing more." "Perhaps we should punish her -- to let the Overseer know that she and Riker acted alone." "Your own reports describe how rational these people are. Millennia ago, they abandoned all belief in the supernatural. And now you're asking me to sabotage that achievement... send them back into the Dark Ages of fear and superstition." "It's not the season for lightning. It must be a warning..." "We've had storms at this time of year before." "Not like this one..." "It must mean something!" "It is beyond my power." "Nothing is beyond your power! You are the Overseer -- I'll prove it!"

Romans 1:1-7 (KJV) 1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ: 7To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 1:1-7 (NASB) 1 Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, 2 which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh, 4 who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord, 5 through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name’s sake, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ; 7 to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. [The entire LETTER of Paul to the Romans was a single letter, which was addressed to the Christians of Rome. Anything in the actual letter that appears to be otherwise must be read in the context of THE ENTIRE LETTER. Stop and think. It is SENSELESS to think that Paul would be instructed to write a letter to the Christians and suddenly have it diverge for a page to address local Jews, and another page to address local Gentiles. They would never READ the letter! It's all ONE letter. It talks TO Christians. Therefore, when it speaks "to you Gentiles", it should be amazingly OBVIOUS it is not addressing Joe Gentile down the street, but Christians in Rome- and when you remember that, it takes little thought to realize it's addressing the born again GENTILES rather than unbelieving ones, just as some letters were addressed to born again JEWS rather than unbelieving ones. ("To the 12 tribes"..) I got to thinking about that after it was just used again today to excuse us from having to ACT rightly since we're Christians. vpw misused this verse (what else is new?) to allow himself room to sin with impunity and insist God wouldn't mind. He taught it accordingly, and we all bought into it for a time. (Anyone still buying into it after their next read after this, however, has no excuse for just blowing off what it REALLY means.]

You have some interesting stuff there. When you have a chance, I'd recommend checking your site. Looks like you moved some things around, and there's dead links pointing to where they WERE rather than where they ARE.

"Quite peaceful and highly rational." "It was bring him aboard or let him die." "Then why didn't you let him die?" "If you are father and daughter, you may have shared the same dream." "That is not reasonable." "No one's believed that for countless generations. Just as we no longer believe the stars control our fates, or that the spirits of the dead haunt the living." "According to the legends. But if Palmer is a servant of the Overseer, what was he doing in the cave?" "The Overseer was said to be all-powerful. He could provide gentle winters, plentiful hunting, fertile crops... anything." "Weren't there stories of the Overseer destroying those who offended him?" "Stories. Nothing more." "Perhaps we should punish her -- to let the Overseer know that she and Riker acted alone." "Your own reports describe how rational these people are. Millennia ago, they abandoned all belief in the supernatural. And now you're asking me to sabotage that achievement... send them back into the Dark Ages of fear and superstition." "It's not the season for lightning. It must be a warning..." "We've had storms at this time of year before." "Not like this one..." "It must mean something!" "It is beyond my power." "Nothing is beyond your power! You are the Overseer -- I'll prove it!"

"Quite peaceful and highly rational." "It was bring him aboard or let him die." "Then why didn't you let him die?" "If you are father and daughter, you may have shared the same dream." "That is not reasonable."

Eh, was I right?

This is going to take some explaining, and I'll add links when I have time. Back when vpw hijacked the hippies. he sold them a complete package. The package was "twi doctrine and practice" and offered a structure more liberal than any church. (How many respectable churches are cool with people smoking pot and making out at meetings?) That was obviously meant to lure in the hippies. For the serious Christians, there was a GOAL, one made into a nice slogan every twi'er heard regularly- "Word Over the World." The idea was to take God's Word (as taught by twi) to every person on the Earth so they could make an informed decision as to whether to choose to serve God or to refuse to do so. There were a few rumors that accompanied that, of course. I can think of two. One, that Jesus Christ would return shortly after every single person had heard. Two, that it would happen during vpw's lifetime. (A lot of people I knew were surprised it didn't happen before he died.) So, there were programs (Word Over the World Ambassadors, aka WOW Ambassadors), there were slogans, songs, and even hand signals. (The hand signal didn't last, but it's seen in a photo in twi's own book, The Way:Living in Love.) So, "we've got to take The Word over the world", and "it's up to us because no other Christians can possibly manage it since they're all screw-ups." This was a cause and a goal for expansive growth locally, among others- more people spoken to meant more Christians, which is a victory to begin with, but also more people to speak to those who haven't heard, and thus we're a tiny bit closer to the goal with each new Christian who joined the group. If they were not born again before, then there's a new Christian, and if they were, now they're an "effective" Christian since now they've learned to do things "correctly." After vpw died, a few years followed with lots of controversy. Women came forward about vpw molesting them or other twi leaders molesting them (vpw said they could...) This led to "the fog years" where lcm wandered around, wondering what happened because he was following vpw doctrine rather than The Spirit, and it wasn't working but he thought he was doing God's will. At the end (1988-1989), lcm demanded an oath of loyalty from all the twi'ers, starting with the top leaders and down to the local ones. Any one who didn't swear one to lcm HIMSELF (for example, those who quoted the Bible and didn't want to choose among men) was KICKED OUT. In about a year (not counting exits in the Fog Years), twi lost about 80% of its membership and leadership. Since lcm kicked them out en masse, many were able to continue to work together locally and statewide, and this really worked against twi. So, lcm now had a small group left. Now he began teaching about "the remnant" and things about how numbers don't count", and had blind loyalists as the rank-and-file. Within a few years, he got REALLY weird- he had decided that every fool thought that went through his head was approved by God and probably was sent directly BY God. A guy who liked to condemn doctrines of Papal Infallibility began to, in effect, claim just that for himself....and worse, since Papal Infallibility only affects formal declarations and not "I'd like chicken for dinner." lcm decided that everything he uttered was infallible, and to question that was to question God Almighty. Naturally, his gross incompetence combined with that and led to one major failure after another, plus one minor failure after another. One evening, lcm went up to the podium and made an announcement: God Almighty had just told him that The Word was now Over The World. Naturally, this sounded like nonsense- twi was now tiny compared to what it once was, and NOW they got to EVERYONE? But this was the era of overt blind loyalty, and to even THINK lcm was wrong was heresy. Now what? Well, if twi's goal was accomplished, they needed a new one. Now that The Word was Over The World, lcm announced twi had crossed into The Promised Land of The Prevailing Word, which has pretty much been the twi slogan, goal, etc since then. www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/waydale/waydale-documents-html/staff-meeting-at-the-way-international-headquarters-on-04/14/1996.html Where did the slogan come from? lcm was lousy at Bible research (an odd deficiency for a Biblical Research ministry, but there's been a low standard since the beginning-although vpw was very good at FAKING IT for the masses.) His one supposed claim was he understood Acts. He even taught a class and "wrote a book" on the subject, "The Rise and Expansion (of the First Century Church)". Mind you, twi's expert on how the early Christians exploded in numbers oversaw a period of 80% of the people leaving- followed by slow trickles of more people leaving after that and during his reign. He used the KJV for Acts 19:20 "So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed." I'm not aware of vpw using it like this, but perhaps he did and lcm ran with it. That wouldn't be the first time. vpw taught ONCE on "athletes of the spirit" and lcm (the dumb jock) ran with it, wouldn't let it go, and plagiarized a Hollywood movie (Staying Alive) to put on a 2-hour dance production on the subject. (I kid you not.) As you can see from the link I provided, lcm was seriously unstable while he was making his initial explanations about how this was supposed to work. Since lcm was kicked out (officially he was "placed on spiritual probation" and the official word is that he's out), nobody's had enough personality to even ATTEMPT something new. If they did, rfr would have them kicked out as a threat to her authority, as if the remaining twi hasn't strangled out the ability to think from the remaining insiders. So, wherever vpw or lcm left off with stuff is where it will stay, more or less, until twi closes its doors because nobody is listening any more.

The Q quotes didn't clue me in. However, Mc Coy's exchange with Data did. This is "Encounter at Farpoint", the series premiere of NextGen. Give me a little time, my internet access is sporadic today (moreso than my time! :) )

vpw criticized hypocrites who cherry-picked the verses they wanted and skipped the verses they didn't like. Then, of course, vpw WAS a hypocrite who cherry-picked the verses he wanted and glossed over the verses he didn't like. He'd acknowledge them lightly in public but never seem to bring them up when discussing conduct of leaders and so on. vpw was quite experienced at finding verses that he could DISTORT to make it sound like they supported what he wanted to believe. In private, he "found" a verse that said God was ok with ORGIES- although they weren't His optimal choice, He would ACCEPT them. So it should surprise no one that a verse that says "no condemnation" would be creatively interpreted to mean that no instance of GUILT should ever remain after doing anything, no matter how sinful an action was. vpw moved the boundaries of interpreting Scripture so that Christians were allowed to sin a lot so long as they didn't feel guilty about it. And he championed that position.

A lot of the time, the only drug used was alcohol, and that's available all over the US, so it's easy to find near any twi locale. vpw, of course, made drinking alcohol a part of the twi experience at a certain level- HE drank the stuff every day, including when he traveled. (A poster here posted their surprise- when vpw was expected to visit for TWO days, that person was tasked with buying a FEW bottles of Drambuie for him, something they'd never HEARD of before then. Apparently, vpw went through something like a bottle a day of Drambuie when visiting.) So, he prepped for women to accept a drink (or 2 or 4) when he offered them one, when alone with them. As for the rest, I have no specifics, only general information. It's common knowledge that tranquilizers were a LOT easier to get a prescription for sometime after the early 1950s. It's hardly shocking if vpw was getting valium or something similar. He might even have convinced an innocent, non-twi doctor that he was having trouble sleeping and gotten a Rx for them. At the time, that was not rare in the US. So, he worked with alcohol and some sort of tranquilizing agent, and neither was prohibitively hard to get at the time. ==================== I thought I saw someone comment about orgies in twi. As far as I know, there were no actual orgies in twi. (At least, I've never heard of any, and I wasn't invited if there were any.) However, now that I give the matter a little thought, it's obvious this was something vpw WANTED but couldn't HAVE. Look back at when he hijacked the hippies. He read about Christians in the Haight-Ashbury area omong the hippies. He'd heard that there was a lot of "free love" among hippies, including orgies. vpw headed out specifically to THOSE Christians. (Not any more local to him, even though it would have been easier to stay in contact with some, say, within a state or so at some college.) He approached them, and noted (even in the sanitized version) how comfortable they were with each other's bodies. He EXPECTED to find hippie Christians who were comfortable with orgies, and that seemed to support his expectation. When alone and drinking with J1m D00p, vpw asked him-repeatedly- about attendance at an orgy, and pressed for SPECIFICS. At that moment, vpw VOLUNTEERED his own invention- a twisting of a verse to claim God was ok with orgies. When D00p resisted the idea, vpw dropped the subject. Time for Plan B- sex with individual hippychicks without orgies. When pliant hippychicks failed to drop out of the sky (boy, what a waste of time to have gone to Haight-Ashbury, he hasn't been able to score any boom-boom from the trip, even after!) he goes to Plan C- using the recruited hippies to recruit youngsters (which he was already doing), and recruit from among THOSE youngsters to bring some on campus, where he could try to cheat on his wife and see how many were willing to have sex with him. That led to Plan D- tricking women into having sex with him from among those on campus. If you look at this from a perspective of "was vpw looking to score sex partners?" then the entire history of twi becomes frighteningly CONSISTENT and makes a lot of sense. Granted, I think he also wanted money, a comfortable living, and much bestowed respect, but the path he selected seems to have been steered straight for "youngsters who might be ok with casual sex with an old married guy."

When vpw went to Haight-Ashbury to hijack the hippies and recruit them, he was looking for youngsters who'd be cool with casual sex. twi's own account quoted vpw happy with how casual they were physically with each other. vpw went to J1m D00p and asked him, a few times, what it was like to ATTEND AN ORGY (which JD had shown up for once, but left a few minutes into it and was embarrassed about the whole thing.) After he convinced JD to describe it to him, vpw told JD that it was ok with God to PARTICIPATE IN ORGIES, and quoted a verse of Scripture out of context, then distorted its meaning ridiculously to claim it supported his doctrine. When vpw was refining his vague ideas that he stamped into the first way corps, and tried to make a real program out of what he already had running and called one, he set up the thing as a sort of predatory watering hole. He began by requiring each candidate to write up an autobiography and submit it. When any woman wrote something about an incident of sexual abuse in her past, vpw set her autobiography aside, and he targeted her for sexual abuse of his own when she was on campus. At least two women reported that they had such an incident in her write-up, and vpw called them alone and fed them a line about God wanting him to molest them properly so they'd be healed of whatever happened before. One of them reported that he had her autobiography in his hand when she arrived. Many of us know that those who have suffered abuse in their past are easier to victimize later. I'm confident, based on his behaviour, that vpw knew it as well, and counted on it. We also know he tried to have the women drink with him, and some of those drinks had drugs in them to knock them out (at least one reported here about having survived such an encounter with that pervert.) And yes, there was a whole framework he set up to find the women most east to victimize, to arrange to have him alone with them, and to have someone monitor them afterwards to hush them up, or have them ostracized and silenced if they showed signs of preparing to speak up. He also told lcm that he'd HAVE to do the same-he'd have to "loosen up" regarding extramarital sex. vpw's greatest accomplishments may revolve around the most thorough part of twi- his cadre of insiders to facilitate sexual abuse from vpw to God's precious ones for whom Christ died. Whenever I hear someone question whether the word "worshiped" is a bit strong to apply to how some people saw-and see- vpw, I just remember that they made a graven image of vpw. There's an ugly metal statue of vpw in the auditorium. And twi sold smaller models of it for homes, so any twi'er could have a graven image of vpw in their home. It's also S.O.P. for twi'ers to have photographs of the Board up in their living room. (The small wallet-sized photos would end up on a shelf or table.)

I agree with your points (from here, as I have not read the book), but I have to add something about that LAST point. You said that passage implies that everyone "are going to go through a fire". I think that passage implies nothing about a PERSON "going through a fire." It seems clear to me that the person's WORK will "go through a fire" and the person will be untouched by it. Let's look at the verses you mentioned, in 3 different versions. ========================== 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 New International Version (NIV) 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames. ======================== 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 Contemporary English Version (CEV) 11because Christ is the only foundation. 12-13Whatever we build on that foundation will be tested by fire on the day of judgment. Then everyone will find out if we have used gold, silver, and precious stones, or wood, hay, and straw. 14We will be rewarded if our building is left standing. 15But if it is destroyed by the fire, we will lose everything. Yet we ourselves will be saved, like someone escaping from flames. ============================= 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 11 For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work. 14 If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. ====================== ====================== ====================== I think that's what it's saying- the WORKS are tried by fire but the person is spared the flames no matter what.

Correct! The possum playing possum is voiced by William Shatner. (His daughter is voiced by Avril Lavigne.) Hammy the Squirrel is voiced by Steve Correll, which is why Hammy suggests "Steve" as a name. For those who haven't seen it, it's loosely based on the newspaper comic strip. Small animals are dealing with suburban sprawl reaching them. (In the movie, we also have humans who have to deal with animals there as well.) It's reasonably funny, and has some hysterical lines.

I find sexual predators in general to be blights on society, without qualification. I find it disturbing when I see someone trying to excuse serial predators. For example, vpw set up an elaborate structure to facilitate sexual predation. He set up so he could find women to target, he set up places to prey on them, a network of people to conspire with him, and walk them through an innocent arrival somewhere through "exit counseling" them to keep their mouths shut or report they were going to speak up so he could have them excoriated. That's not even addressing setting up doctrine so he could have a "script" to work from they'd already accepted. Then people come along and make it sound as if vpw walks into his office one day and a woman's sprawled nekkid across his desk with a flower in her teeth. "What's he supposed to do?" Well, even IF such a fantasy thing happened, the MARRIED MINISTER is supposed to turn and run from his office until he can get one or more people to accompany him back to his office. This is why Billy Graham has made it a practice to arrange never to EVER be alone with a woman- not even in an elevator. It allows him to be faithful to his marriage before God, anf it allows God's people to trust him to refrain from opportunistic sin. All of this is different from conspiring to commit sin, making elaborate arrangements, then carrying them out- which vpw did and taught lcm and others to do as well, making them two-fold the child of hell he was, if at all possible.

"No, I can talk. I'm just driving." "The homeowners charter, which you signed, says the grass is supposed to be two inches, and according to my measuring stick, yours is two-point-five." "Mother, is that you? Beckoning me into the light? Must... move... toward... the light!" "I don't want to die, Dad. Not for real..." "Lets call it Steve!" "Steve??" "Steve's a pretty name!" "I really thought you were dead!" "I learned from the best." "What about this one, this Depelter Turbo?" "That's a contraband item, ma'am, as it is illegal in every state... ...except Texas." "I don't care if this violates the Geneva Conventions, I want it. "I thought you might, so I took the liberty of installing it for you."

That's it. My first clue was harder because I lost track of which thread I was on until I came back to update it.

"No, I can talk. I'm just driving." "The homeowners charter, which you signed, says the grass is supposed to be two inches, and according to my measuring stick, yours is two-point-five." "Mother, is that you? Beckoning me into the light? Must... move... toward... the light!" "I don't want to die, Dad. Not for real..." "Lets call it Steve!" "Steve??" "Steve's a pretty name!" "I really thought you were dead!" "I learned from the best."

"What's the use in trying, all you get is pain. When I wanted sunshine, I got rain."

"We gotta install microwave ovens Custom kitchen deliveries. We gotta move these refrigerators. We gotta move these colour TV's."

"No, I can talk. I'm just driving." "The homeowners charter, which you signed, says the grass is supposed to be two inches, and according to my measuring stick, yours is two-point-five." "Mother, is that you? Beckoning me into the light? Must... move... toward... the light!"

"I couldn't leave her if I tried."

"Hard To Handle". The Black Crowes did a version of this song.