WordWolf

*nudges thread* Whoever has quotes from any television series (they don't have to be from the same episode-just the same series) can go next.....

Little Feat, "Let it Roll". "Why should I care? Why should I care?"

"This is where the fun begins!" "That wasn't much of a rescue." "So this is how liberty dies – with thunderous applause." "Good! Twice the pride, double the fall." "Execute Order 66."

I don't consider it doctrine or anything, but I find it's a good thing to encourage some "thinking outside the box." I like the premise. Lewis also wrote a sequel, but I'm blanking on the name.

No.

With mint frosting?

I don't think those who want to "give them a pass" say that because they claim to be a Christian group. David Koresh's "Branch Davidians" and Jim Jones' "Peoples Temple" don't get defended here, and they-supposedly- were Christian groups as well. I think the "give them a pass" "stop warning people" advocates are saying that for one reason and one reason only: They have fond personal memories of twi, and all discussions of bad experiences, wrong doctrine, and so on, interfere with their ability to maintain BLOODLESS fond personal memories, and they would rather SILENCE THE ONE TELLING THE TRUTH and warning people than to adjust their thinking to say "I had many fond memories-but some people's experiences were horrific." That's how I see it. Me, I DO have some fond memories, but acknowledge that while I was making fond memories in one place, others were having horrific experiences in another place.

Actually, I left Roman Catholicism a few years before I ended up with twi. I went from the RCC to monotheism, and didn't think any Christians had the answers I needed, and they certainly couldn't be found in the Bible. I think God has a sense of humour. I got the answers I was looking for, IMHO. (Along with some harmful stuff I WASN'T looking for.) So, as always, I'm thankful I got in (I got answers I needed, I met some loving Christians), and I'm thankful I got out (I separated from dangerous attitudes and arrogance, and could see other Christians as equals after leaving.) Some people insist that those who warn about the harm from twi are blithely refusing to acknowledge there was ever any benefit from being in twi, and I'm usually counted among those they mean.... ....which is odd, since I keep saying "I'm glad I got in, and glad I got out", which means I see 2 sides to this story.....

I'm chagrined I don't have it yet. I'm sure I've heard it before.

Next movie: "This is where the fun begins!" "That wasn't much of a rescue." "So this is how liberty dies – with thunderous applause."

You're much safer starting from scratch. Try reading the Bible for yourself, or talk to some other Christians who never heard of vpw, twi or whatever, or do some searches online for work that doesn't include twi buzzwords.

Charlie Sheen Wall Street Martin Sheen

I think we didn't see this show. Please accept you stumped us and take another or make it a toss-up or whatever.

*blink* I got some sleep. It's GOT to be a "Lethal Weapon" movie. For the sake of moving this along, may I be permitted-this once- to use a scattershot guess, and say A) Lethal Weapon 2 or Lethal Weapon 3 or Lethal Weapon 4?

Ditto. When lcm drew his "line in the sand"(1988-1989), I did my own investigating, and-based on what lcm himself and his cronies said themselves, I made tracks.

I couldn't find it either. Can we get a link or something?

[WordWolf in boldface as usual. I shall also shorten the original post. Feel free to jump back using the arrow or scroll up for the original post in its entirety-I kept what was germane to my reply.] All sin still comes down to the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. (I John 2:16) Taking money or sex out of its proper place- like stealing money from God's people, or using a coersive method to get them to have sex with you- is sin, and falls under those categories, too. Sin still has a powerful hold on people. God forbid His people learn to accept sin!]

I thought that behaviour was a bit different, depending on if you were dealing with a brown bear or a black bear. (Or a polar bear of course, but we're not talking about them...)

You're lucky he wasn't one of the "inner circle" types that learned vpw's "lockbox"... he probably would have dropped in MORE to try to see nekkid wimmin....

I'd like a citation of these "STATISTICS." My understanding is that crime goes DOWN from about 1am on into the morning, and it also goes down on rainy nights. Criminals don't bother staying up when fewer people are on the street. I've cheerfully gone about my business all hours of the night, and walked the streets of NYC at 2am, 3am, 4am, 5am, without problems. It's EARLIER than that that I've ever had problems on the street. Forgive me if I take years of my own experience at face value.

CORRECT! Here's how the quotes fit in.... "This is gonna replace CD's soon; guess I'll have to buy The White Album again." Agent K (Tommy Lee Jones) was briefing Agent J (Will Smith) on various alien technologies that were gradually released as commercial products. "You see this? Huh?! N-Y-P-D! Means I will kNock Your Punkass Down!" Very early, with Will Smith as a policeman, catching a fleeing fugitive (an alien in disguise.) "You here to make fun of me too?" " No, ma'am. We at the FBI do not have a sense of humor we're aware of. May we come in? "Sure." Agent K and the woman at the house where that "bug" landed. "Did he say anything to you? "Yeah, that the world is coming to an end." "Did he say when?" "So what do you think? "Whew! Very interesting. She got a whole 'Queen of the Undead' thing going on... "What about the body?" "Great body..." "The dead body." Agent K and Agent J at the coroner's office to retrieve a "dead" alien. Linda Fiorentino played the coroner. "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it." K explaining to J. "Place projectile weapon on the ground." "You can have my gun, when you pry it from my cold dead fingers." "Your proposal is acceptable." The "bug" and the guy whose truck he landed on. GO, Raf!

"This is gonna replace CD's soon; guess I'll have to buy The White Album again." "You see this? Huh?! N-Y-P-D! Means I will kNock Your Punkass Down!" "You here to make fun of me too? " No, ma'am. We at the FBI do not have a sense of humor we're aware of. May we come in? "Sure." "Did he say anything to you? "Yeah, that the world is coming to an end." "Did he say when?" "So what do you think? "Whew! Very interesting. She got a whole 'Queen of the Undead' thing going on... "What about the body?" "Great body..." "The dead body." "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it." "Place projectile weapon on the ground." "You can have my gun, when you pry it from my cold dead fingers." "Your proposal is acceptable."

Actually, you completely READ THAT INTO what was said. There's nothing about "busy" or "lazy". The only thing we have to go on is what they said "unable to do things that are outside of your comfort zone". Does that mean "learn to chop firewood correctly"? Does it mean "get up at 5am"? Does it mean "ride rollercoasters without fear?" Does it mean "risk life and limb hitchhiking to another state, where unqualified climbers will lead you up a mountain"? Does it mean "go into housing projects and go door to door preaching the Bible"? Does it mean "eating substandard food, living in a closet, and performing manual labour full-time while paying for the privilege of working for someone?" There's nothing to indicate any of those is true-or false. It's equally possible that it might be for some noble purpose- "the person will be busy" as it is for some ignoble purpose- "it is a "hold-harmless" clause, and if anyone finds anything wrong with the program, they are welcome to just leave it or shut up." Since the phrasing is, in part, identical to some things that some of us saw some INCREDIBLE harm done in before, and the resemblances are INTENTIONAL, NOT ACCIDENTAL, I think some caution is called for.

If snow is on the ground, the ground will be white with reflected light. If the snow is in the air, the air will be white with reflected light. If snow is in the air AND on the ground, the area will be bright with reflected light. Even if there's no electrical sources of light, the area will be lit with reflected light. I've gone camping in the winter. With snow on the ground, no snow in the air, and no lights on. Late at night, it was still very bright. I noted this, because it meant that practical jokers could not sneak around. (Someone later recommended WHITE camouflage for snow, because, even at night, that's more effective than trying to keep to shadows that aren't there.) So, if he made the claim that there was "pitch-black" and heavy snow (and he saw heavier snow than he'd ever seen at any other time by his 40s/50s), I find that unsupportable. If the sky was heavily clouded, but the air was carrying snow, the white snow EVERYWHERE would make the sky look a LOT brighter. ====== As to any of this actually having been actually seen by vpw (that is, that he actually saw physical snow, or actually saw a real vision), we can test this without having been there. See, he claimed this was given as PROOF he'd heard from God. Therefore, if we test the promise he claimed was from God, and it's an invalid promise, or it is not delivered, then we can dismiss the snowstorm- since it was "proof" of something that didn't happen. This supposed promise: He (God) would teach him (Victor) His Word (God's Word) like it had not been known since the 1st century, if he (Victor) would teach it to others. (This is the famous 1942 promise.) BTW, he NEVER told anyone this promise IN 1942-he started telling them in the early 1970s- Mrs W herself said he first told it to the early corps, and that means the early 1970s. Looking at the claim, the claim was that God would teach vpw God's Word like it hadn't been known since the First Century", which is a claim that is dependent upon the hearer being as ignorant of "First Century" history as vpw was and presumed his hearers to be. In the First Century AD- before Gutenberg invented his printing press- God's Word as known was the Torah- the Old Testament. It wasn't until the SECOND Century AD that enough handwritten copies of the New Testament Gospels, Letters, Acts and Revelation were distributed for Christians to "know" them. What vpw taught didn't reflect their lack of copies of the New Testament. Either he invented that claim, or the promise came from an ignorant god. vpw didn't teach the First Century church in ACTION. REALLY look at Acts sometime. They were SHORT on documentation. REALLY short on books. There was a lot of prayer, considerable deliverance, and a level of NORMAL miracles everyday such that the SPECIAL miracles with Paul went beyond them. Authority was de-centralized, money was distributed among the poor as they had need, everything was local, nothing was official, the few "leaders" travelled, dealt with things in a "hands-on" fashion, and lived simply. Compare that to twi. HEAVY on reading, reading, reading. Deliverance levels painfully shy of Acts. Authority was all concentrated to vpw, money funnelled to vpw- even when he had to trash the Way East and Way West and stop local use of cash to do it. LITTLE was local, EVERYTHING was official, the "leaders" stay in one spot and enjoy their luxuries as you travel to them on your dime, and their involvement is anything but personal- just a handful of verses, and some micro-management. Finally, the supposed promise was predicated on the concept that there was information that was UNKNOWN from 101 AD- 1943, and God Almighty would supply that information to vpw. Few people who've been at the GSC awhile can't trace the sources of vpw's information. Some came from BG Leonard and his class, some came from JE Stiles, his book and his direct teaching, some came from EW Bullinger's books, some came from EW Kenyon and his books. (If you used your initials, vpw would plagiarize freely from you.) EVERYTHING HE TAUGHT WAS ALREADY KNOWN AS OF 1943. So, this supposed "god" who promised him this should have known better. Taking all this into consideration, the promise vpw claimed he was given was a complete sham. Either vpw was given a promise by an ignorant god, or he was given a promise by a lying devil and couldn't tell the difference, or vpw made the whole thing up. Therefore, either the snowstorm came from an ignorant god, or it came from a devil, or it never happened and vpw made it up.

I don't know who passed that story around, but it would not surprise me if twi tried to make claims like that if they heard about them.