WordWolf

When I was in, it was obvious to everyone I knew that we were no longer under The Law, we were under Grace. As such, the worst I would have done to someone who did not break the laws of the land would be to avoid them, and if they broke the law the worst I'd do is notify local law enforcement.

Of course, they never actually READ THE PASSAGE that said so..... This had nothing to do with MINORS- this was about ADULT offspring ("children"): Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (KJV) 18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (NASB) 18"If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, 19then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his hometown. 20"They shall say to the elders of his city, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.' 21"Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel will hear of it and fear.

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When I took it, it was recommended we don't take notes, but that was not mandatory. The idea was that whoever thought that rule up was incapable of focusing on a class while taking notes. Some of us, however, were excellent at doing that- and retained material BETTER if we took notes. At the end of the first segment, someone recommended I take my notes directly into the syllabus rather than in a separate book. This made sense- I was juggling a syllabus, Bible and a notebook. Taking notes into the syllabus meant I could put down the notebook. Writing down questions was something else-I didn't have any of those written down.

"a new element for an electric kettle like this (picture of electric kettle) would cost as much as the entire gross national product of the United States of America from 1770 to the year 2000, and even then they wouldn't be able to afford the small fixing ring which attaches it to the kettle." "The official result of the World Hide-and-Seek, Mr Don Roberrs from Hinckley, Leicestershire, 11 years, 2 months, 26 days, 9 hours, 3 minutes, 27 seconds. Mr Francisco Huron, Paraguay, 11 years, a months, 26 days, 9 hours, 3 minutes, 27 seconds. The result - a tie." "A tie! Well what a fantastic result. Well the replay will start tomorrow at 7.30 a.m."

So was I. Bolshevik's experience of twi was different from ours. vpw intentionally targeted the young of the counter-culture movement, partly because they were young and naive, partly because of their exposure to free sex. By marketing his stuff as counter-culture, he appealed to their anti-establishment bent. Doesn't mean every kid twi appealed to at the time joined for that reason, or that everyone joined as kids or for those reasons even if they WERE kids. I'm pretty confident vpw would have preferred never to have seen people like me join up. Smart enough to connect the dots if I can see the dots, unable to be bought off, and good enough at Bible recitation to climb the ladder to where I'd be able to see and connect the dots, that's a formula for vpw's cadre being exposed. But he was already dead when I'd first heard of him, so he had little say about me joining. And I wasn't high enough up the ladder for lcm to have heard of me when he drew his line in the sand in '89, which was error-ridden enough to induce me to leave. Ironically, if I'd stayed, I would have been a lot higher up the ladder all of a sudden- since 80% or more of the people higher up the ladder than me had all walked off in disgust.

[offtopic] Steve, it's not a "hair lip", it's called a "harelip". http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-harelip.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleft_lip_and_palate [/offtopic]

This is "the Brady Bunch." The exchange is what I remember. Greg worked for Sam the Butcher for the Summer or something. Then he and Bobby got locked in the meat-locker. (It's incredibly dangerous to have a room that won't unseal from the inside without a key. A super I once knew called an APARTMENT like that "a deathtrap" in casual conversation, and told the guy who lived there to replace it with a slam-lock or something instead of needing the key from inside, and said if something happened, he would die. He was pretty serious. But, it happens in sitcoms and is all fixed by the end of the episode.) The meat-locker had a small window, and Greg was able to smash it and hoist Bobby to it. Bobby, the smallest, worked his way out of the window. Then he tried to use the payphone to call Sam to show up with the key. But he didn't have a dime for the phone. Greg threw him one. Which Bobby stopped and commented about instead of just dialing. (The line about the awfully cold dime comes back to me clearly- which brings back dimmer memories of the rest of the scene, and I can reconstruct more from that.) We were talking about TV clown Bozo. One of the kids (Bobby, I think, but it could have been Peter) tried to win a contest on TV eating ice cream. Without his hands. On one of those kids-with-a-costumed-clown shows, except this guy was some sort of king.

Wasn't that about "the new birth", and not about general labors?

I know this is an "Enterprise" episode, and that's probably as far as I'll get. I remember the "pineapple cake" subplot.

Yes, it's "Justice." I think one obvious question is "how thorough is your briefing of the laws of the society, if you didn't know there was ONE penalty for law-breaking, and it could be dispensed for littering or jaywalking if it was done in a randomly-determined place?"

One the one hand, she didn't seem to mind enjoying the royal treatment she got, that vpw demanded they both get. She's been heard being rather bossy at times with jobs that had to be redone that were technically fine, but didn't look the way she pictured, so Way Builders had to pull out good work and start over. Her appearance at his side lent slick vic a legitimacy beyond his con. On the other hand, would any of us want to have traded places with her? Despite the creature comforts, she lived under vpw's thumb and at his sufferance. The man had a violent temper, chose to rage at will, was frequently drunk, and saw all other humans in relation to what they did for him, and not people in their own rights, due their own dignity. I have little doubt she lived in fear of him for much of her life. (Or "negative believing" for those of you who haven't freed yourself of compulsive wayspeak.)

Time for the next movie. "Springtime for Hitler and Germany. Winter for Poland and France."

It varies between languages, presumably to a common, pithy saying easily recognized by the audience. According to the IMDb page, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081505/trivia "The book that Jack was writing contained the one sentence ("All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy") repeated over and over. Stanley Kubrick had each page individually typed. For the Italian version of the film, Kubrick used the phrase "Il mattino ha l' oro in bocca" ("He who wakes up early meets a golden day"). For the German version, it was "Was Du heute kannst besorgen, das verschiebe nicht auf Morgen" ("Never put off till tomorrow what you can do today"). For the Spanish version, it was "No por mucho madrugar amanece más temprano" ("Rising early will not make dawn sooner."). For the French version, it was "Un 'Tiens' vaut mieux que deux 'Tu l'auras'" ("A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"). "

Ok, in the interest of moving things along, I'll suppose there was some sort of confirmation for the correct episode in there somewhere, and post the next clue. =============================== "I've listed my report on their customs and laws, sir. Fairly simple, common sense things." "But even the happiest report has its negatives. Let's start with them." "There are none, sir. Not that any of us can find."

That's "the Shining." BTW, in other languages, that's not the sentence that gets repeated all over the book.

Nobody pulled that when I was in, either, but they did slowly work their way there after I left. Children, remember, were an inconvenience in twi- they did not contribute, and they used up time and money the parents could instead hand over to twi. So, there were things eventually like how, if civilization broke down (the conspiracy theories), the kids were expendable because the parents, if alive, could have more children. There were also leaders who told parents how to "take care" of their children. If the child didn't listen the first few times, then you were to whallop him with a 2 x 4. At least they were consistent- some of them whalloped their OWN SMALL CHILDREN for failing to do EXACTLY as they were told. Some parents were told to leave a disobedient child out in the woods and abandon them for life. Here's a pair of threads where we discussed the disposability of children. It started with vpw, of course, who recommended the same techniques for training hunting dogs as for CHILDREN- and reputable sources said these techniques are wrong for training DOGS! Hunt Close! close__fromsearch__1entry59312 Child abuse in twi abuse__fromsearch__1entry146773 Child abuse in the way abuse__fromsearch__1entry295965

HCW claimed he was always treated well by vpw himself. I think that vpw was a lazy stereotyper. It's always easy to make disparaging comments about, say, a n1gger or a spear-chucker, but not QUITE so easy to make disparaging comments about HCW, a fellow working on periodicals. It was a LOT easier just to regurgitate (plagiarize) what he was getting from the Liberty Lobby and other conspiracy sources (just as he did much the same with Christian sources) than to make any kind of real correction for any accuracy. Big surprise lcm pulled much the same stuff with conspiracies. Everyone else out there remember hearing from lcm that the Pope bought an aircraft carrier and was getting ready to force conversions to Roman Catholicism at bayonet-point?

"NO WIRE HANGERS, EVER!!!!!"

Luke 10: 25-37 25And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" 26And He said to him, "What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?" 27And he answered, "YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 28And He said to him, "You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE." 29But wishing to justify himself, he said to Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?" 30Jesus replied and said, "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among robbers, and they stripped him and beat him, and went away leaving him half dead. 31"And by chance a priest was going down on that road, and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. 32"Likewise a Levite also, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33"But a Samaritan, who was on a journey, came upon him; and when he saw him, he felt compassion, 34and came to him and bandaged up his wounds, pouring oil and wine on them; and he put him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35"On the next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper and said, 'Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I return I will repay you.' 36"Which of these three do you think proved to be a neighbor to the man who fell into the robbers' hands?" 37And he said, "The one who showed mercy toward him." Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do the same." =============================== Is Billy living Christian values? Whether or not Billy is a Christian, it seems the values he espouses are Christian. (Presuming he accurately depicts himself and Tom accurately conveys Billy's heart.) His values are values Christ put forth. (Whether or not he upholds ALL Christ put forth remains to be seen, but that which IS seen matches Christ's words.) One may also say that Billy is living proper Jewish values, inasmuch as the values were also matching what a student of the Mosaic Law stated. I suppose there are Christians AND Jews who might give another answer- meaning that Billy would have to live ALL their values before they could approve. I am not among them. I'm also aware that to call something "Christian" and have it NOT be an insult can be rare in some circles. I don't hold to that either. I've seen non-Christians who've used the term "Christian" to refer to actions or ideas in a complimentary fashion. I believe the ability of them TO do so- mostly by actions and ideas matching those of Christ- is the entire idea behind being able to say so. (In case that was unclear, I mean that I think Christ had in mind that we would do good works and hold pure ideas, and that one result would be that the term "Christian" should be a compliment.) Matthew 5:14-16 " 14"You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; 15nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 16"Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven. "

Seems the only way to win is not to play, Flow7. That's "Wargames."

More LEAD threads. "LEAD" " Lead, Total Fitness Institute and John Summerville" " The dangers of Lead" But the first one Waysider linked, IMHO, was more relevant. Although I had my say more in the thread I linked called "LEAD" than in the others, I think. Not directly on LEAD, but related to things we were stupid enough to agree to, is this thread: "Foolhardy behavior"

In the episode, yes. But lcm can't carry a tune in a bucket.

Nice contrast, wasn't it? The little ugly statues in people's homes were scale models of the BIG ugly statue of vpw they had made. No, I never saw it, but the advertisements mentioned it.