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In ONE respect, the KJV has an advantage- the italics indicate where the translators admit they added words. In other respects, the KJV has disadvantages- despite it being updated since 1611, it's not based on any of the documents uncovered in the 20th century, which many versions ARE. Also, the phraseology, the wording, is not only ARCHAIC, it's INCONSISTENT. The New King James Version is a slight improvement over the KJV, and I recommend it be used in place of the KJV, period. Furthermore, the New American Standard Bible (version) is more modern than either (is based on more recent documents), is not archaic, and is more CONSISTENT in its translation (word "A" usually translates into word "1" and not words "1" or "2" or "3" or "4" depending on the occurrences. Therefore, the NASB, as I see it, is the Bible of choice for those who are serious about their translations, AND like the italics. Sadly, other than the Watchtower Society's version, they're the only ones with any kind of marker like that. The NIV isn't bad. It offers the modern language and the later documents, but doesn't have the italics. That makes it a toss-up against the KJV. (If it had the italics, it would be superior beyond argument.) However, vpw often based things on the phraseology of the KJV in ENGLISH rather than going back to the older languages- even when it was obvious with a little work that his claims were WRONG. Then again, try and correct vpw or claim he was sloppy to twi'ers and see how far you get...

"You know the Rules of Acquisition?" "I am a graduate of Starfleet Academy. I know many things." "That's one." "I believe she was killed by a remat detonator -- a device programmed to scramble a transporter beam during rematerialization. They're typically no more than two cubic millimeters in size, so it may have been hidden in her clothes or even injected under her skin." "That device is typically used by the Romulans. However, they're also sold on the black market."

"I'm glad I have someone looking out for me." "I'm looking out for ME. You punch really hard during those bad dreams." "What happens to these people in their last moments, it really matters." "Have you ever heard of a antique-related emergency?" "Um, uh, no." "You run an antique shop in Grandview, isn't that right?" "Yes." "And you're an amateur psychiatrist in your off hours?"

It is not. I am positing that this one- despite NOT being obscure- will be a little tough for the current guessers.

He actually said they weren't approaching "nerds?" What an idiot! Who did he think would be running the country? The current US President is an unquestionable nerd! twi would have given a great deal, say, to get Bill Gates or Steve Wozniak on board. Between being able to leverage their credibility (twi did that with pro athletes a number of times) and tap them for lots and lots of money, it would have been their dream come true. Then again, nerds THINK FOR THEMSELVES and aren't afraid to go "left" when the herd is all going "right". twi was SCARED to recruit new people who could THINK FOR THEMSELVES and see what a fragile house of cards they had. "We don't want the nerds, we want the people with money." Only those as stupid as twi management could so easily dismiss the nerds with money as nonexistent. twi wanted to pretend it was more "godly" to recruit only the people who looked good on a recruiting poster- but did Jesus Christ come only for the photogenic? The outcasts and the oddballs have a long, proud tradition across the Bible, from left-handed commandos to poets and musicians, to the people nobody expected much of because they were "least in their father's households", to too short, to tax collectors and lawyers, and even mothers-in-law.

I'm not convinced it was ALL bogus. I think some of it was legitimate. (Mostly when coupled with interpretations in some times I can recall, but there's other stuff I won't get into.) On the other hand, vpw seemed to fake it a lot- every single public time he claimed to SIT, it was the SAME SYLLABLES. "Lo shanta mala ka sito la SHONTA." Either God is incredibly repetitive, or vpw was a fake and an unimaginative one. I have other proof of the later, so.....

"I'm glad I have someone looking out for me." "I'm looking out for ME. You punch really hard during those bad dreams." "What happens to these people in their last moments, it really matters."

"You know the Rules of Acquisition?" "I am a graduate of Starfleet Academy. I know many things." "That's one."

The really inane thing about it is that "present truth" appears as a phrase in the KJV Bible, but they've applied what they refer to as "private interpretation" to it! 2 Peter 1:12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth. This isn't talking about truth NOW, since truth is truth, and does not change with opinion. It's talking about the truth that's HERE- the truth is PRESENT! You don't need to hunt for it- here it is! (One of our posters pointed this out YEARS AGO. Naturally, they're still teaching it INCORRECTLY rather than admit a mistake.) But lcm (who was made "head of the research dept") did something vpw was fond of doing- focusing on King James Version English, then forming a teaching or doctrine around something without ever seeing if the Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic/Syriac matched what he said. Here's the same verse in different versions. The New International Version. 2 Peter 1:12 So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have. New American Standard. 2 Peter 1:12 Therefore, I will always be ready to remind you of these things, even though you already know them, and have been established in the truth which is present with you. Contemporary English Version. 2 Peter 1:12 You are holding firmly to the truth that you were given. But I am still going to remind you of these things. English Standard Version. 2 Peter 1:12 Therefore I intend always to remind you of these qualities, though you know them and are established in the truth that you have.

Remember the audience has shrunk for the games. A lot fewer people log in nowadays.

I knew they weren't quotes from TNG or DS9. I figured they were PROBABLY TOS (which they were.) Then I saw "drill thrall" and "train." So, there's training for combat. TOS didn't have a "hot war", so that would be training but not for a war- meaning someone's private combat. That made the most likely candidate "Gamemasters of Triskelion."

TULSA, OK -- A Tulsa business has been flooded with hateful e-mails and phone calls after a misleading story aired on a cable news network. The story outraged viewers across the country, claiming religious activities had been banned from Tulsa's government housing complexes. The company being blamed for a ban on the words God or Christ says it's not true. "It was just a big misunderstanding," said Youth At Heart Director Jocelyn McCarver. Employees at Tulsa's "Youth at Heart" say misunderstanding or not, they're now dealing with hateful e-mails and phone calls. A story that aired on Fox News Channel said Youth at Heart, who provides recreational activities for Tulsa Housing Authority properties, wouldn't allow religious activities there. That got lots of folks riled up. "Well, most of the emails have been from people out of state. So, I guess they're looking at Fox News. So, they're not supporting us anyways," said Youth At Heart Director Jocelyn McCarver. But, religious activities are allowed on the properties. They just have to be scheduled through the residents themselves, not through the housing authority or its subcontractors. A statement from the Tulsa Housing Authority shows it's a federally funded agency and therefore does not directly sponsor religious activities on its sites. They refer religious organizations to schedule those with resident associations. "We're not banning Child Evangelism. We're not banning the use of the name of Jesus or God," said Youth At Heart Director Jocelyn McCarver. Fox News Channel picked the story up after a religious group, Child Evangelism Fellowship, talked to the Tulsa Beacon newspaper. "First of all we were quite shocked because we've been going to these housing complexes with this group for 20 plus years," said Larry Koehn with Child Evangelism Fellowship. It wasn't until after the story hit the national airwaves and after millions of Americans were outraged they discovered they were wrong and that the whole issue was a simple misunderstanding. "I need to be sure I know all my facts before I start talking to the news media and that I keep control of the situation for the sake of our ministry and for everyone involved," said Larry Koehn with Child Evangelism Fellowship. Child Evangelism Fellowship will continue to provide its religious activities at Tulsa Housing Authority properties.

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A search just now on this story still shows 2 sources. 1) Fox News. 2) http://www.kxmc.com/News/Nation/387998.asp "Disclaimer: This article is a blog post and does not represent the views or opinions of Reiten Television, KXNet.com, its staff and associates and is wholly owned by the user who posted this content. " And THEIR source-according to the link THEY posted- is FOX NEWS. So, that quote should read, "ACCORDING TO FOX NEWS......"

For a new arrival, you've summed up the situation nicely.

*wild swing* "The Gamemasters of Triskelion"?

I've been running around. Sitting down and giving serious analysis takes some uninterrupted time.

Matthew 10: 35-36. "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." For a group that claims the Gospels are irrelevant to the modern Christian, they seem to excel at only matching these verses. There's LOTS of verses in the Epistles that mention healthy relationships- Jeff pointed out a few- but for a group that claims the Epistles are our PRACTICAL guide, they sure don't PRACTICE what they say....

The term "gaslighting" probably comes from the old movie, where a woman is made to feel as if she's crazy, but she's perfectly sane. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1...wn_form_of.html "Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse or brainwashing where one individual attempts to get another individual to believe she is "crazy". This is most often done through the denial of facts, events, or what one did or did not say. The gaslighter might also directly or indirectly imply that the individual is defective, crazy, or suffers from a mental illness." "The term gaslighting was coined in the 1940 and 1944 remake of the movie Gaslight. In this movie the main character is made to believe she is crazy and imagining things by her husband so that he could gain access to her finances. He repeatedly lights a gas lamp in one part of the house, causing the other lamps in the house to become dimmer. When the main character in the movie confronts her husband about this, he repeatedly tells her that she is imagining things and that the lamps are not, in fact, dimmer." http://lauriekendrick.wordpress.com/2008/0...of-gaslighting/ "“Gaslighting is the systematic attempt by one person to erode another’s reality. This is done by telling them that what they are experiencing isn’t so – and, the gradual giving up on the part of the other person.” "You know you’re in a full blown Gaslight Effect when you find yourself second guessing your own reality; when you’re unsure of what you really think and feel. Why? Because you’ve allowed someone else to define your reality for you. Invariably, this leads to being told what to think and how to think. And then in turn, you’re told who you are. You’re molded into an entity that someone else deems worthy of his or her love, affection; attention." The typical gaslighter defies Copernican theory. They think THEY are, in fact, the center of the universe. In reality, this blustery bravado masks rampant insecurity. Inside, they’re just scared little boys and girls , very much afraid to be hurt, yet they think they’re too smart, too superior to actually feel the pain they’ve so deeply buried. Sadly, this fear-based arrogance means they themselves have been “gaslit”…made victims by their own actions." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting " Gaslighting is a form of intimidation or psychological abuse in which false information is presented to the victim, making them doubt their own memory and perception. The classic example of gaslighting is to change things in a person's environment without their knowledge, and to explain that they "must be imagining things" when they challenge these changes."

My read on the story was the same- "a parking-and-noise issue that morphed into a land-use issue pretty quickly and got bogged down in the religious aspect" and the government worker who responded first was "way out of line." I'm glad more sensible folk were the ones following up, and in charge of seeing where things went from there. (The End.) Now let's all have coffee and cake in the music room. :)

A) My first comment was to point out the WND was an unreliable source- and the sole source of the story to begin with. So was my second comment. (I documented its unreliability, too.) B) As soon as another local source said anything, I linked it and posted the article. C) My 4th post consisted entirely of the link to Snopes' coverage of same. In each case, I stuck to what I could document-or had already documented. I don't know if you consider that "running my mouth", but I consider that "posting." Personally, I think those were pretty GOOD posts, based on good posting procedure. (I wasn't required to wait for the primary source documents to point out an absence of documentation existed- that sort of observation is worth noting on its own.) If you're referring to your own post exclusively as "running your mouth", I don't know why. I disagreed but did so in a civil fashion, if not in the most harmonious one. If you saw a post where someone said you "ran your mouth" in this thread, I missed it- please point it out. Otherwise, you might just be taking the thread a little too personally. When I do that, I log off and consider taking a brisk walk around the block before logging in again.

From the "press release": "The County responded to complaints from a neighbor about traffic and parking issues resulting from a weekly Bible study held in a Bonita home. This is a land use issue; it's not an issue of religious expression." From the site you linked, AFTER the investigation: "I want to reassure you that this matter, however perceived by you or by others, was in fact a land use matter stemming from a complaint. It was in no way an attempt by San Diego County to infringe upon your religious freedoms." I'm not sure how "informative" a statement BEFORE THE INVESTIGATION is supposed to be, but I'd be MORE suspicious of one that made pronouncements BEFORE all the facts were in. I wait until the results to get offended, and don't need soothing before then.

And if anyone actually clicked the Snopes link, they would have seen the link to the official reply: http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/news/breaking/ecke.pdf I'm always just a little hesitant about taking one side's account of the story- or one side's website account of the story.

===================== "Is it my imagination, or did the kid just cover for him?" "This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship." About Worf and Nog, at the beginning. "Do I detect a note of jealousy in your voice?" "You two can argue about this on your own time." There was hostility between the Alpha Quadrant Jem Hadar and the Gamma Quadrant Jem Hadar. This was probably the ONLY epsode it was discussed. "Very important research. What? I'm not laughing. I'm not." Kira, discussing the "Fantastic Voyage" aspect of the episode. "Surrender or you will all be killed." "I feel privileged to be here with you at such a moment." "There is still much to do before we declare victory. Until we leave Federation space, we are vulnerable to" "I am the First. And I have declared victory." "That is, of course, your prerogative." Alpha and Gamma Jem hadar, disagreeing. "I wish I could be there with you, old man." "I'll send you a postcard. Tell Worf I look forward to hearing his poem." For me, a giveaway. It's the only episode Worf promised to write a Klingon poem for anyone. "I serve the Founders. If it is their will to create a new race, that is the order of things." "But... ?" "But the Jem'Hadar bred here in the Alpha Quadrant have not proven themselves superior to those from the Gamma Quadrant. At least... not yet." "Restoring warp power may not be so simple for them. It took us a week just to learn how to pilot one of their ships." "I am First Kudak'Etan. In a strange way, you are the reason I exist. If you had not eliminated our fleet in the wormhole, there would have been no need to breed Alpha Quadrant Jem'Hadar." "I know what he's thinking because it's exactly what I would be doing in his position. You should kill him now, before he has a chance to put his plan into motion." "You are the Second. I am the First. Do not presume to tell me what to do." "Okay. I'm in no hurry to reach a Dominion prison camp. You want me to teach your men how to repair the warp drive, that's fine with me. We'll begin with the primary command and control systems -- that should take about six hours. Then we'll work our way up to basic engineering theory for a class seven warp drive, then --" Sisko, when they didn't want to let him have any crew to repair the ship? "And they say you don't have a sense of humor." Worf sneaking a joke, in front of Quark, who gave this reply at the end of the show. "Mr. Worf, I think your wife is here." The shrunken runabout was spotted. "The magnetic plasma guides are heating up." "They must've initiated the impulse prestart sequence." "What does that mean?" "It means this entire conduit is about to be filled with superheated plasma." "When you say superheated..." "If I can't find another way out of here, we'll be vaporized. Is that clear?" "Crystal." If they were in a system when it heated up, that would be the end of the runabout. Go, George!