WordWolf

"If you love God, and love your neighbor as yourself, you can do as you fool well please." ============================= Ok. Take a minister who leaves his denomination with stories of "inappropriate behavior with his secretary". Then send him to where there are Christians and some people pushing "free love" and orgies. Why is he there? http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=160989 Jim D explained it. " As we relaxed and had a second drink, he asked Judy and me to describe what is was like to attend an orgy. We were taken back by the question and embarrassed by it, because even though it was part of our testimony in our deliverance from sin to God's righteousness, no one had ever asked us to describe what it was like to go to an orgy. We found his curiosity shocking. But we gave him a brief description which is really all we could give him since our encounter with an orgy had been so brief. We had attended one orgy sponsored by the San Francisco Sexual Freedom League, but we were so overwhelmed by the spectacle that we had left after twenty minutes. "You know that's all available," V.P. said. "God put it in I Corinthians 7:1 which He said 'It is good for a man not to touch a woman.' If it wasn't available to have sex outside the marriage God would have said 'best' instead of 'good.'" I could not believe what I was hearing. I responded with, "I just thank God that He pulled our soul out of that pit of debauchery." When Judy and I went to bed, I said to her, "I don't believe what he said tonight, and I'm going to forget it. I must have misunderstood him." vpw told Jim God said orgies were "available." ============== ""Weirwille sought things to validate his position. He did NOT research the word and change his opinion to IT. I becamed pretty good friends with Jim D*0p. He told me that he, Jim, had a ministry where they were sexually loose and an anything goes kinda group out in California. Weirwille flew out there, telling folks it was to talk with Jim about the Bible and witness or something to him. Jim told me Weirwille flew out there to LEARN from Jimmy about the free sex thinking. Weirwille said he always believed sex should be free and allowed with as many as you feel you want to be with -- but could NEVER prove it from the Bible. He was there to see if Jimmy could prove it was okay via scripture. D0*p never really could and was more of a hippie minister than a sexual pervert looking for Biblical validation. Weirwille had these concepts, notions, urges, illnesses and tried to find a way to SELL them to us. He was not about to CHANGE his thinking according to scripture. He was not a researcher. He was similar to a lot of cult leaders. He had an idea and looked for people who would buy into it. Like Charlie Manson." ================= ""He also told a small group at Emporia one night to teach their children about their bodies, "you can brush their nipple with your hand and show them how it hardens. You can show them not to be ashamed of their body reactions" Then he shared about the African Tribe where the Father broke the hymen of the daughters to get them experienced in sex to prepare them for marriage -- he thought it to be beautiful. VPW had already let me see his dark side. Sitting there I thought OH MY GOD, this is subtle but he is teaching this group that it is beautiful to teach your daughters how to have sex, it is just not accepted in our culture! He was standing behind his sex problems and setting us up to have sex with our godly "family" as well as the earthly one."

Because otherwise they'd actually have to PAY ATTENTION. This way, they could PRETEND to care, and only look up when there's NOISE.

Someone mentioned this again...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7901337.stm Child abuse 'impacts stress gene' Abuse in early childhood permanently alters how the brain reacts to stress, a Canadian study suggests. Analysis of brain tissue from adults who had committed suicide found key genetic changes in those who had suffered abuse as a child. It affects the production of a receptor known to be involved in stress responses, the researchers said. The Nature Neuroscience study underpins the impact of stress on early brain development, experts said. Previous research has shown that abuse in childhood is associated with an increased reaction to stressful circumstances. “ Whilst these results obviously need to be replicated, they provide a mechanism by which experiences early in life can have an effect on behaviour later in adulthood ” Dr Jonathan Mill But exactly how environmental factors interact with genes and contribute to depression or other mental disorders in adulthood is not well understood. A research team led by McGill University, in Montreal, examined the gene for the glucocorticoid receptor - which helps control the response to stress - in a specific brain region of 12 suicide victims with a history of child abuse and 12 suicide victims who did not suffer abuse when younger. They found chemical changes which reduced the activity of the gene in those who suffered child abuse. And they showed this reduced activity leads to fewer glucocorticoid receptors. Those affected would have had an abnormally heightened response to stress, the researchers said. Long-term It suggests that experience in childhood when the brain is developing, can have a long-term impact on how someone responds to stressful situations. But study leader Professor Michael Meaney said they believe these biochemical effects could also occur later in life. "If you're a public health individual or a child psychologist you could say this shows you nothing you didn't already know. "But until you show the biological process, many people in government and policy-makers are reluctant to believe it's real. "Beyond that, you could ask whether a drug could reverse these effects and that's a possibility." Dr Jonathan Mill, from the Institute of Psychiatry at Kings College London said the research added to growing evidence that environmental factors can alter the expression of genes - a process known as epigenetics. "Whilst these results obviously need to be replicated, they provide a mechanism by which experiences early in life can have an effect on behaviour later in adulthood. "The exciting thing about epigenetic alterations is that they are potentially reversible, and thus perhaps a future target for therapeutic intervention." Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/7901337.stm Published: 2009/02/23 01:16:12 GMT © BBC MMIX

Re: what you said about what would attract them... It would have to be custom-tailored to reel in THEM. vpw succeeded in "hijacking the hippies" because he had a plan designed to fool THEM- not the people they'd be in a decade, the people they were THERE and THEN. That same plan wouldn't work on anyone else. As to rising anomie, that's one consequence of the silicon age, but it includes its own cure as well- it's possible to get to know hundreds more people and make face-to-face friends using the internet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie

Apparently, LOTS of people joke about Captain Harriman, and what Cameron Frye ("Ferris Buehler's Day Off") is doing in charge of the Enterprise. Michael Okuda HIMSELF wrote up John Harriman's biographical file for the game "ST: Starship Creator". It says he has a wife named Sloane, a son named Ferris, they live in Chicago, and he likes 20th century Italian sportscars. ("Chicka-chicka.") Okuda has a bigger sense of humor than I expected. Harriman's also appeared in 3 novels. 2 of those appearances were written by Peter David. This DOESN'T surprise me. I've known Peter David to have a wacky sense of humor for some time now.

I'm possibly the only one who thinks of J. Wellington Wimpy, Popeye's pal, when watching this movie. Other people think about Chicago, for equally vague reasons. (Since Chicago doesn't appear in this movie.)

"Who Watches the Watchers." But your description is otherwise correct. One of the more interesting things about the episode is the writing slant. To have ANY religious beliefs is equated with human sacrifice (killing Deanna), fear, superstition, the Dark Ages, inquisitions, and holy wars. Furthermore, Picard's FINE with a local just dying if it means the Prime Directive is upheld. (Funny how the Bajorans' beliefs weren't this problematic, nor Chakotay's....)

"It was bring him aboard or let him die." "Then why didn't you let him die?" "Because we were responsible for his injuries!" "You're saying that belief will eventually develop into a religion." "It's inevitable. And without guidance, that religion could degenerate into inquisitions... holy wars... chaos." "Your own reports describe how rational these people are. Millennia ago, they abandoned all belief in the supernatural. And now you're asking me to sabotage that achievement... send them back into the Dark Ages of fear and superstition." "It's not the season for lightning. It must be a warning..." "We've had storms at this time of year before." "Not like this one..." "It must mean something!" "I was sure you were dead." "I think I was... but I was brought back to life. I awoke in an incredible place -- and my wounds were gone. I had been healed." "How is that possible? " "Long ago, our people believed in beings with great powers. These beings made the rains come, told the sun when to rise, and caused all life to be born, to grow, to die." "But those are just tales -- old superstitions." "Perhaps the beliefs of our ancestors are true. Nothing else can explain what's happened. Everything's changed now, Oji. We must tell the others."

twi used an extended analogy of a TREE when referring to itself- with Root locales, Trunks, Limbs, Branches, Twigs and so on. When groups break away- or broke away from twi, they're referred to as "splinter" groups. Despite having a lot of variety in what they stressed as they left twi, there are amazing similarities between them that most of Christianity does not share. So, it's a general term.

A tired piece of fiction trotted out to salve the conscience of a few. Some people here have had positive reminisces about vpw and lcm. (I REQUESTED those at one point.) Nobody has any about rfr, which says something about rfr.

"It was bring him aboard or let him die." "Then why didn't you let him die?" "Because we were responsible for his injuries!" "You're saying that belief will eventually develop into a religion." "It's inevitable. And without guidance, that religion could degenerate into inquisitions... holy wars... chaos." "Your own reports describe how rational these people are. Millennia ago, they abandoned all belief in the supernatural. And now you're asking me to sabotage that achievement... send them back into the Dark Ages of fear and superstition."

Ok, NOW I see some of my favorite quotes. Is this when the Klingons declared war on Cardassia, and the Defiant went to Cardassia Prime to rescue the Detapa Council. And DS9 faces a Klingon invasion force of its own. Quark dragged a briefcase of latinum all over the station....

I'm pretty sure that's not it.

What should you expect? Coverups of "Momentus" and "personal prophecy." Check out our subforum for specifics. They're the "high-pressure salesmen" of the ex-twi "family."

Correct! And, as you can tell from the quotes, it's no typical "werewolf" movie.

I WASN'T a minor, but I took it WITH minors. Dirty pictures and all.

"She's obligated to one more book, and then we get a first-look at her next two." "One more book. Good. How about an 80-page reminiscence of all the restaurants I've loved?" "Well, whatever you say-there are no specifications in the contract." "All right. I'll start eating out right now. You are a rarity, Mr Swinton- a lying man with a great taste in authors." "Gary? Don't tell people you had a drop of tequila in your coffee this morning. You didn't HAVE coffee this morning." "I've never loved anybody this way. Never looked at a woman and thought, 'if civilization fails, if the world ends, I'll still understand what God meant.' " " 'Demoted', I think, is the word. I've been offered a choice between no job and a job no one would want." "Tell them that we're leaving McCleesh House because we've heard that the new unofficial policy is to push everything that sells, and-this will get them- bury anything that doesn't take off like a rocket. Tell them we've got enough investors to get it off the ground." "Two things." "Go." "How many investors do we have?" "I don't know-I haven't called anybody yet." "But you want me to say it anyway." "Yes." "Second thing-is any of this true?" "Not yet." "You're my god." "Life IS mystical. It's just that we are, we are USED to it." "You'd rather be damned than die?" "Damnation is not part of my system of beliefs." "Power without guilt, love without doubt." "I never loved Stewart. It was a mistake Will. I'm going to talk to him. Stewart, never for one moment, mentioned he loved me." "You think that makes it better? To betray me over and over again with a man that meant nothing to you? To know you betrayed me for nothing?" "Don't be a smug..." "Don't touch me! And Keep Away."

I'm confident the word "werewolf" does not appear in this movie. It certainly does not appear in the title. You'd think a movie with supporting cast like James Spader and Michelle Pfeiffer would be easier to remember....

"She's obligated to one more book, and then we get a first-look at her next two." "One more book. Good. How about an 8-page remeniscence of all the restaurants I've loved?" "Well, whatever you say-there are no specifications in the contract." "All right. I'll start eating out right now. You are a rarity, Mr Swinton- a lying man with a great taste in authors." "Gary? Don't tell people you had a drop of tequila in your coffee this morning. You didn't HAVE coffee this morning." "I've never loved anybody this way. Never looked at a woman and thought, 'if civilization fails, if the world ends, I'll still understand what God meant.' " " 'Demoted', I think, is the word. I've been offered a choice between no job and a job no one would want." "I never loved Stewart. It was a mistake Will. I'm going to talk to him. Stewart, never for one moment, mentioned he loved me." "You think that makes it better? To betray me over and over again with a man that meant nothing to you? To know you betrayed me for nothing?" "Don't be a smug..." "Don't touch me! And Keep Away."

"I've never loved anybody this way. Never looked at a woman and thought, 'if civilization fails, if the world ends, I'll still understand what God meant.' " " I've been offered a choice between NO job and a job no one would want." "I never loved Stewart. It was a mistake Will. I'm going to talk to him. Stewart, never for one moment, mentioned he loved me." "You think that makes it better? To betray me over and over again with a man that meant nothing to you? To know you betrayed me for nothing?" "Don't be a smug..." "Don't touch me! And Keep Away."

I lost track of the original question on the table. None of us COULD have earned eternal life, or "disciplined" ourselves unto it. As I said before, Christians are often MORE vulnerable to "the pride of life", not LESS. Then again, religious folk have been seen as self-righteous before there were Christians- Jesus' parable of the "good Samaritan" had a priest and a Levite ignore the victim. We walk, we slip, we walk, we pray for guidance. What we DO know to do, we should do. That includes "watch for traffic" as much as "avoid places that make you want to sin." A balanced walk is as much a matter of "listening to God" and heeding His will" as anything else, and it's certainly not a matter of "direct Green Lantern's ring to destroy sin."

Having examined everything, especially when lcm spoke for himself, I'm convinced vpw was quite aware, but lcm was NEVER aware it was all a scam, and thus never considered there to be a need to lighten up on a "mark", or a time to lull a "pigeon" into a sense of false-security.

"I've never loved anybody this way. Never looked at a woman and thought, 'if civilization fails, if the world ends, I'll still understand what God meant.' " " I've been offered a choice between NO job and a job no one would want."