WordWolf

No, it isn't. It REFERRED to that episode....

"Out of the tree of life, I just picked me a plum You came along and everything started to hum Still it’s a real good bet, the best is yet to come The best is yet to come, and babe won’t that be fine You think you’ve seen the sun, but you ain’t seen it shine" "Looking good, as usual, dollface." "I'm glad you like what you see." "I only wish I could see more." "They say good things come to those who wait." "Who are 'they' and how much of you have they seen?" "I never kiss and tell." "I bet you don't." "Tonight everyone's a winner." "It's a 'jack-in-the-box.'" "It's not the same thing..." "It is to me. This is my life, remember? I don't run at the first sign of trouble." "No one's asking you to run. We're just asking you to stay out of sight for a few days while we come up with a plan." "I don't look good in buckskin." "You believe this guy?" "No manners." "Were you born in a barn or something?" "Is this gentleman a friend of yours?" "We know each other." "Does it matter? You like going there. I don't. Let's leave it at that." "I was only asking..." "And I gave you my answer." "There are times when I just can't figure you out." "Isn't that part of the attraction?" "Believe that if you want to." "Don't take it personally. He thought he was doing me a favor... you know, by not letting things get boring." "I thought that was my job." "And you're great at it. You know we luv ya." "I don't miss a trick." "You sound very sure of yourself." "Doubt is for losers." "You're quite a philosopher." "I'm thinking of writing a book." "Have you got a title?" "Maybe you can help me think one up." "My talents lie in other directions." "Good title. Mind if I use it? "I'd say you've already paid for it." "Whatever you decide to do, Chief, count me in. I owe Vic. I thought losing my leg was the end of my Starfleet career. He taught me otherwise." "He changed my life, too. And Odo's."

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Well, if one wants a Bible that has the closest relation to the texts into English, the New Revised Standard is #1, with the New American Standard Bible, and the Revised Standard, then coming up the rear's the Contemporary English and the New International. If one wants a Bible that has the italics, there's the King James, the New King James, and the New American Standard Bible. If one wants a Bible that translates the same word into the same word more often, then that strength has been criticized of the New American Standard Bible. In short, the New American Standard Bible is about the best Bible one can find in English. It's one of the very best for general usage, and for italics fans, it is far, far better than the KJV and NKJV. However, some people have chosen the KJV, and they will stay with it no matter what, just as some others chose the NIV and will stay with it no matter what. That's a shame, since both can easily find Bibles that would serve them better (The NRSV over the NIV, the NASB over the KJV.)

It's sounding vaguely familiar. I don't have the name yet.

With all the brochures and recommendations that anyone who COULD, SHOULD 1) take the Advanced class 2) go wow 3) go corps Most ESPECIALLY "go corps", why was there ONE set of truths (the brochures) and ANOTHER set of truths (hearsay). What kind of program documents ONE thing, and relies on THE RUMOR MILL to get the REAL story out to applicants? Is this how HONEST programs are run? Is this INTEGRITY?

"Out of the tree of life, I just picked me a plum You came along and everything started to hum Still it’s a real good bet, the best is yet to come The best is yet to come, and babe won’t that be fine You think you’ve seen the sun, but you ain’t seen it shine" "Looking good, as usual, dollface." "I'm glad you like what you see." "I only wish I could see more." "They say good things come to those who wait." "Who are 'they' and how much of you have they seen?" "I never kiss and tell." "I bet you don't." "Tonight everyone's a winner." "It's a 'jack-in-the-box.'" "It's not the same thing..." "It is to me. This is my life, remember? I don't run at the first sign of trouble." "No one's asking you to run. We're just asking you to stay out of sight for a few days while we come up with a plan." "I don't look good in buckskin." "You believe this guy?" "No manners." "Were you born in a barn or something?" "Is this gentleman a friend of yours?" "We know each other." "Does it matter? You like going there. I don't. Let's leave it at that." "I was only asking..." "And I gave you my answer." "There are times when I just can't figure you out." "Isn't that part of the attraction?" "Believe that if you want to." "Don't take it personally. He thought he was doing me a favor... you know, by not letting things get boring." "I thought that was my job." "And you're great at it. You know we luv ya." "I don't miss a trick." "You sound very sure of yourself." "Doubt is for losers." "You're quite a philosopher." "I'm thinking of writing a book." "Have you got a title?" "Maybe you can help me think one up." "My talents lie in other directions." "Good title. Mind if I use it? "I'd say you've already paid for it."

They were serving him BETTER BEFORE their participation in twi. Distorting what I said doesn't change what I said-it just shows you're either unable or unwilling to read it and understand it. MOST posters have no difficulty with that. Ever wonder why you do, so often?

I've noticed that this supposedly thorough process is the one that has resulted in you putting forth that vpw had "an OVERabundance of brains and brawn", that he was "OVERgifted", and that "where he walked, the earth shook." It's also the same process that has led you to conclude that the pfal books are more "God's Word" than any modern Bible is. It's also the same process that led you to claim-and NOT joking- that "When JC returns, he will be holding a copy of the Orange Book and teaching you from it." (The first time I read that, my immediate response was "Ok, he has a sense of humor, at least." But you later clarified you were "very serious" about that, and had "seen him many times this way myself." ========= If a computer program is designed to perform numerical calculations- it's a calculator- and this program ends up resulting in incorrect calculations- the numbers are wrong- then, no matter how excellent the program sounds, it is a FLAWED PROGRAM and an ERROR. I'm NOT going to use it to perform what it's designed to do- it leads to false conclusions and is thus PROVEN FALSE.

I think she's entitled "to play the victim card" if you've already played the "I'm going to be a d1ck card" and deliberately distorted the meaning of what she said, and kept on doing it.

Or even just of God! How far would the House of Acts have reached- H33fn3r, D00p, Fug1t, the others- if they'd continued their work unto God without anyone convincing them to leave the BEST cause (serving God) to serve a supposedly GOOD cause (serving someone who claims to serve God)?

"A scorpion once requested a favor from a camel. The scorpion wanted to cross a deep river but could not find any way to do so. Seeing a camel nearby, the scorpion approached him and asked the camel to carry him across. The camel refused, saying, “You will sting me.”"No, no. I am an ethical scorpion. I promise I won’t sting you.” The camel agreed and, taking the scorpion on his hump, began crossing the river. Halfway across, the scorpion suddenly stung the camel. “Why did you do that?” the camel asked. “Now we will both die.” “What can I say?” the scorpion replied. “It’s my nature.”" ======== "A man was walking along a dusty path. He came upon an injured snake which asked for his help. The man replied, "I'd love to help you but you are a snake and everyone knows that a snake cannot be trusted. If I help you I fear that once you are better you will bring great harm upon me." The snake assured him that he would not do so and would be forever grateful.The man against his better judgment decided he would help the snake. He cared for him and nourished him back to health. Each day he would bring food to the snake and they would share time together. One day the man came to the snake who was now fully recovered and upon approaching him to provide food, the snake attacked him with a deadly and death assured bite. The man looked upon the snake and asked "But why? I helped you, I nourished you, I trusted you. Why did you do this terrible thing to me?" The snake replied "But my foolish man, you knew I was a snake when you picked me up!"

Let's check the timeline..... "In 1948, vpw was issued a "Doctorate" from Pikes Peak Seminary, an organization lacking accreditation and formal classes (among other things.)" "According to his published memorial, Bishop KC Pillai took PFAL in 1954, and began teaching a class on"Orientalisms of the Bible". (Pillai also wrote 3 small books: "Light Through an Eastern Window" and Volumes I and II of "Orientalisms of the Bible.") According to the memorial in 1985, 1955 was the year they officially chartered "the Way". In 1955, JP was born. 2 months later, VPW left JP with family for the next year or so, and took his wife and eldest son on a tour of the mission fields in India, on the Evangelical and Reformed Church's dime.(1955-1957) (Per TW:LIL) He was irritated that he's reminded he is not officially designated as a spokesman or investigator of theirs. According to his account in TW:LIL, he there met Bishop KC Pillai, whom he later invited to teach. " Supposed "Doctorate". 1948. Tour of India, 1955-1956, or 1955-1957, depending on the source (TW:LiL or twi's memorial of vpw.)

Actually, his account had an entirely different thrust, one that made HIM, HIM PERSONALLY, a big-shot. Supposedly the ONLY man who had engaged such a tour with his whole family.... (making one son a "next-door-neighbor", I suppose, since he was NOT on the tour, and vpw said he took his "WHOLE" family.... Supposedly, the only Christian to be asked to address the Jain Convention... Supposedly, welcomed everywhere BECAUSE HE WAS UNAFFILIATED and just wanted to teach the Bible, when actually it was his AFFILIATION he relied on to get ANY invites and respect.... The upshot is, vpw and Mrs W end up giving DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS of the same events. Naturally, you're going to pretend they don't, or claim vpw's was pre-eminent. Or change the subject and pretend you don't.

As far as Oldies was concerned, only part of the last sentence mattered.... "TWI sucked our lives, our youth, our finances, and our opportunities away...at 35 we wake up and realize that we have squat to show for all of those years of diligent service." As far as Oldies was concerned, only part of a sentence mattered... "I don't blame twi for anything." Notice how the post BEGAN by pointing out the utter DIShonesty and lack of mutual respect is involved in the MISrepresentation of other people by clipping parts of sentences out of the context they needed. Sometimes, if one is honest, one CAN find a short quote whose meaning does not change when pulled from its context. In both of these cases, that's not the case-as everyone except Oldies can see. How honest is this? This honest: Psalm 14:1 "There is no God" ======= Can someone take true words, and selectively distort their meaning until they become a lie? Matthew 4:5-6 "5Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone." The devil quoted true words-Scripture- and selectively distorted their meaning until they became a lie. ==== Seems to me one key towards remaining a vpw supporter even AFTER learning that his supposed unique connection to God was simply large-scale plagiarism, and his supposed stance as a man of God concealed a man who conspired to treat women of God as merchandise, making elaborate plans to select some as "better" victims, separate them out, assemble a place to victimize them, an elaborate -and STANDARDIZED- script for victimizing them, the elaborate "exit" strategy that kept some silent, and victimized those who WOULD speak further by ostracizing them and silencing them, plus the absence of conscience it would take to even seriously consider any of this..... is, in turn, to follow vpw's own teachings and shut off one's OWN conscience. Once you can manage that, the cries for help from the victims are easy to ignore, the blood on vpw's hands washes away with a little soap and water, and his lies and utter fraud can just be ignored. It's the SAME absence of conscience that allows one to deliberately take honest words and twist them into a lie. Someone like this, when faced with someone hurt, victimized, and feeling no way out, could easily push them back to be ground up by the machinery of the exploitation machine. I thank my God I can't deceive like that. For many people, twi WAS like this. I was too much a maverick at heart, too much an idealist, to stick around when they started to try to pull those in my direction. I did a hard analysis of what was at hq, and coming from lcm's mouth, and the mouths of those he selected to speak, and found it was far from what I joined twi for. So I left.

"Out of the tree of life, I just picked me a plum You came along and everything started to hum Still it’s a real good bet, the best is yet to come The best is yet to come, and babe won’t that be fine You think you’ve seen the sun, but you ain’t seen it shine" "Looking good, as usual, dollface." "I'm glad you like what you see." "I only wish I could see more." "They say good things come to those who wait." "Who are 'they' and how much of you have they seen?" "I never kiss and tell." "I bet you don't." "Tonight everyone's a winner." "It's a 'jack-in-the-box.'" "It's not the same thing..." "It is to me. This is my life, remember? I don't run at the first sign of trouble." "No one's asking you to run. We're just asking you to stay out of sight for a few days while we come up with a plan." "I don't look good in buckskin." "You believe this guy?" "No manners." "Were you born in a barn or something?" "Is this gentleman a friend of yours?" "We know each other." "Does it matter? You like going there. I don't. Let's leave it at that." "I was only asking..." "And I gave you my answer." "There are times when I just can't figure you out." "Isn't that part of the attraction?" "Believe that if you want to." "Don't take it personally. He thought he was doing me a favor... you know, by not letting things get boring." "I thought that was my job." "And you're great at it. You know we luv ya."

"Space Oddity", by David Bowie. Was he talking about a real astronaut, or someone on a drug trip? We will never know for sure.....

Hey! In high school, there was this bookstore that had a few video games in it up on Jerome Avenue, right by the Concourse!

That's peculiar- it's NOT how vpw HIMSELF told it. "The Way:Living in Love", pg-215. "We went as a family, Dotsie and I and the three oldest children. John Paul was two months old, so he stayed with his aunt, Dotsie's sister. It had never happened before that a man of God and his whole family went on a missionary tour. And I went unaffiliated, not under the flag of any denomination." pg-216. "They responded because we brought with us only a teaching and research ministry of blessing to the people, irrespective of religious allegiance, with no acquisition of property and with no threat to the freedom of the nationals. The response of the denominations-my own included-was supremely non-loving, even vociferously opposed. The National Council of Churches in India informed me that I was not representing the Evangelical and Reformed Church, which I never claimed anyway. From then on I stopped all mission support except one dollar per year." Mind you, I find YOUR answer a LOT more believable. vpw made it sound like he wandered around with no ties to anyone, not any organization of any kind. ("Unaffiliated.")

As for Oral Roberts, vpw ripped off his "Red Thread" teaching. As for Billy Graham, vpw ripped off "preaching to the trees." According to Uncle Harry-who never claimed to have EVER seen it- when vpw was out of sight as a child, he wasn't avoiding his chores, he was "preaching to the trees." Mind you, vpw's own accounts of himself as a youth don't show him preaching, neither to trees or anything. Billy Graham, however, had witnesses. "He transferred in January of 1937 to Florida Bible Institute (now Trinity College) from which he graduated in 1940 with a bachelor of theology degree. Graham's mother and younger brother Melvin had gone to visit him there and found him talking to the trees, Melvin Graham said. "When we arrived, someone at the Bible Institute told us Billy was out in the woods practicing his preaching," he said. "We walked out into the woods and there he was doing an altar call to the trees."

"Out of the tree of life, I just picked me a plum You came along and everything started to hum Still it’s a real good bet, the best is yet to come The best is yet to come, and babe won’t that be fine You think you’ve seen the sun, but you ain’t seen it shine" "Looking good, as usual, dollface." "I'm glad you like what you see." "I only wish I could see more." "They say good things come to those who wait." "Who are 'they' and how much of you have they seen?" "I never kiss and tell." "I bet you don't." "Tonight everyone's a winner." "It's a 'jack-in-the-box.'" "It's not the same thing..." "It is to me. This is my life, remember? I don't run at the first sign of trouble." "No one's asking you to run. We're just asking you to stay out of sight for a few days while we come up with a plan."

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This was worth repeating.

Most of me was parallel to the fridge, but my arms were perpendicular to it. (That's how I got the fixings out. I was following Step 2, "How to receive it.") Well, I know I got GOOD cheeses and meats. The mustard WAS the BEST. Sadly, I wasted too much of my appetite on GOOD fixings rather than God's BEST. *hangs head* The drapes only look red if I'm really, really hung over. But if I get hung over, be certain it was on only the BEST alcoholic beverages that were available.

Here's the entire "red drapes" story. It's not in the book, but it's in the class. Here's the exact wording.... ====================== "Another promise in the Epistle of I John! Way in the back of your Bible! I John! The Epistle of I John! First! Second! Third John! I John 5:14: And this is the confidence [this is the confidence] that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, [if we ask any thing according to his will] he heareth us: Isn't that wonderful? If we have our need and our want parallel we ask anything according to His will; how can it be His Will if we don't know His Word? His Word is His Will that gets our need and our want parallel. If we know His Word we can parallel it off. And once we get our need and want parallel, whatsoever we ask, we get. Many years ago when I was first questing in the integrity and accuracy of God's Word and doing Biblical research, just starting in the field, there were some things in the Word of God that we believed and that we understood and were practicing in our prayer life. And we were really concerned about learning more about God's Word. We had a letter from one of our radio audience from Cincinnati. And this good lady stipulated in that letter stating the following: she said, "now on Thursday night when you have your prayer group meeting and you meet with your people; I'd like for you to pray for an apartment for me. Because I have to find this apartment and I would like for this apartment to be within walking distance, two or three blocks from where I am employed." And she said, "It has to be a furnished apartment because I do not have my own furniture," and she said, "while your praying for this apartment within this area of where I am gainfully employed will you please ask God that in this furnished apartment there will be red drapes on the living room windows." My, oh my. That shook me. I thought to myself well good lord, if I'm going to pray for her for an apartment and she gets that apartment she ought to be thankful. What difference does if make if its got pink drapes or yellow drapes or orange drapes on the living room window? But she had stipulated in her letter please pray that there be red drapes on the window. Well I don't know who did the believing, I helped in the praying but I want to tell you something that night spiritually I hadn't gone this far; I believed for the apartment this I could believe for, it was a need I understood this. So I believed that she'd have an apartment but I can't imagine and I know that I did not believe anything about drapes at all. But we prayed that evening and within fifteen minutes of the time when we had prayed for this situation this lady in Cincinnati many, many, many miles away had a telephone call from an entire stranger who said to her "a friend of yours told me that you have need of an apartment, is this right?" And she said, "yes." And she said, "well where's it located?" He said, "well such and such a place." Within two blocks of where she was employed. So she said to him, "May I come and see it in the morning?" He said, "You certainly may." They made an appointment. She went next morning and looked at this apartment. And when she walked into the living room what do you think the color of those drapes were on those living room windows? Green, oh no they weren't. They were fire engine red. That's right. People, she must have had her need and her want parallel. Look at this. All right! She rented a furnished apartment and it had to have drapes on the window, right? Does it make God any difference whether the drapes are green or red or pink? No, but she had a need, that need was that they might as well have red drapes on, that's what she wanted. She got her need and her want parallel. She not only got that apartment but she got the red drapes on the windows. You talk about the accuracy of God's Word when He said He'll supply all of our need according to His riches in glory. Doesn't say He'll supply our greed but He'll supply our need according to His riches in glory. That's true. It's wonderful." *** ================================= Why didn't it make the books? Well, as you can see, it makes no sense, and doesn't support the claim it claims to support. My favorite line? "She had a need, that need was THAT THEY MIGHT AS WELL have red drapes on, that's what she WANTED." Seems some of us don't even understand what a "need" is. And if it was in black and white, it would be too easy to see that this does not make sense.