WordWolf

From the thread "Craig and VP's relationship"....

The syllabus for Session 1, question 2: "To receive ANYTHING from God, what FIVE things must we know?" (Emphasis mine.) The study guide for Session 1, page 1: "To receive anything from God we must know: 1) What is available (verses) 2) How to Receive 3) What to do with it after we have it. 4) Need and Want must be parallel (verses) 5) God's Ability equals God's Willingness (verses) The Orange Book doesn't support WTH's claim either. I don't know what he's quoting VERBATIM, but it's not any book I have here. It's clearly a 5-step formula in BOTH Session I's syllabus and Study Guide. vpw never demoted the last 2 steps into "possible hindrances", footnotes, or codicils. vpw HIMSELF made the 5-step formula, and numbered the steps 1-5. I don't see how a logical approach can say otherwise.As for wanting "mathematical exactness and scientific precision", those were vpw's own words, his own claims. None of US certainly added them. WTH, I, for one, will NEVER accuse you of trying to be smart and intelligent about the things of God. I will back this claim of yours up to the hilt. So far, the only people I've seen confuse the number 5 for the number 3 are: WTH, and King Arthur from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail."

How to receive a sandwich from the kitchen. 1) What's available. Meats, cheeses, bread, and spreads in the refrigerator. 2) How to receive it. Go to refrigerator, assemble the ingredients into a sandwich. 3) What to do with it after you got it. Eat sandwich while humming the tune "Honkytonk Woman" by the Rolling Stones. These were supposed to teach me something?

*looks it up* That's the song. And Elvis DID sing it. With any song, any singer/band who did the song counts. (General rule of airplay, of course applies. If we can't prove they did it, you might be making it up.) I think the weirdest correct answer was one of mine, when I identified the performer of "Chubby Clementine" as DANNY AIELLO- since he sang it for his "monologue" slot hosting Saturday Night Live. Hey, it was a national broadcast, and you CAN look up what he did.... and he's the only one I've actually heard sing it... So, your turn, dooj!

"Out of the tree of life, I just picked me a plum You came along and everything started to hum Still it’s a real good bet, the best is yet to come The best is yet to come, and babe won’t that be fine You think you’ve seen the sun, but you ain’t seen it shine" "Looking good, as usual, dollface." "I'm glad you like what you see." "I only wish I could see more." "They say good things come to those who wait." "Who are 'they' and how much of you have they seen?" "I never kiss and tell." "I bet you don't." "Tonight everyone's a winner."

CORRECT! And I thought it was a great line. Your turn.

Just an observation of my own. Back in high school, exactly ONE of the entire teaching staff (when I went there) insisted on their Ph.d title. Almost all, if not all, of the teachers had Ph.d's. It didn't even come up until the last semester of my Senior year. I learned a lot there. Some of what I learned was in the planned lessons.

"A Society gentleman would only go out with you for one reason: to have a good time, a few laughs, and a little vo-deo-doh-doh." "I don't vo-deo-doh-doh!" "You vo-deo-doh-doh." "I don't vo-deo-doh-doh! "You vo-deo." "Once. I was going steady a whole year. I have a spotless reputation." "If, in heaven, we don't meet- hand-in-hand, we'll bear the heat. And if it ever gets too hot, Pepsi-Cola hits the spot!" "I am going to mold you. How does that make you feel?" "Like old bread."

It's not the DS9 series finale. And who said it was Vic Fontaine singing it?

I had one episode in mind, but I'm inspired to do this one instead.... "Out of the tree of life, I just picked me a plum You came along and everything started to hum Still it’s a real good bet, the best is yet to come The best is yet to come, and babe won’t that be fine You think you’ve seen the sun, but you ain’t seen it shine"

No, I got it fair and square. And I THINK I can come up with one.

No, it's "Teenage Wasteland." Yes, the technical name of the song IS "Baba O'Reilly." But they should have CALLED it "Teenage Wasteland." (Raf and I used to fun with this subject. "The song's titled 'Baba O'Reilly.' " "Ok, and the REAL name?" "'Teenage Wasteland.' " "Right-I've heard that song.") Since I forgot to mention the previous artist, "the Best is Yet to Come" was done by Frank Sinatra, among others. ======== YOUR turn, dooj!

"Out here in the fields I fight for my meals"

Here's the whole song, for those of you who thought I picked something too unknown.... "Out of the tree of life I just picked me a plum You came along and everything's startin' to hum Still, it's a real good bet, the best is yet to come Best is yet to come and babe, won't that be fine? You think you've seen the sun, but you ain't seen it shine Wait till the warm-up's underway. Wait till our lips have met And wait till you see that sunshine day. You ain't seen nothin' yet The best is yet to come and babe, won't it be fine? Best is yet to come, come the day you're mine Come the day you're mine I'm gonna teach you to fly We've only tasted the wine We're gonna drain the cup dry Wait till your charms are right for these arms to surround You think you've flown before, but baby, you ain't left the ground a-Wait till you're locked in my embrace Wait till I draw you near a-Wait till you see that sunshine place Ain't nothin' like it here The best is yet to come and babe, won't it be fine? The best is yet to come, come the day you're mine Come the day you're mine And you're gonna be mine"

The last one was a "smoking gun" for me. It's "Cheers." You could have waited a little, spaced the quotes apart over more than a 12-hour period, you know, give a few more people a chance to log on and take a guess. That's just me, but I like to give "a sporting chance"....

But where did JAL get it from? Knowing this bunch, from vpw, who got it from Peale. However, we don't- YET- have a quote from Peale saying it to document this, so, it is speculation, guesswork, at the moment.

THOSE names were all RIGHT out of BG Leonard's class "Gifts of the Spirit". Henry Belloco, Maggie Muggins and Johnny Jumpup were all in the class that vpw took in 1953, and then-a few months later- retaught entirely, telling the students it was HIS class "Receiving the Holy Spirit Today." He told Leonard he was teaching Leonard's class on a one-time basis, but-as we know-he continued to teach Leonard's class. He added Bullinger's "How to Enjoy the Bible" and Stiles" "Gift of the Holy Spirit" book, split one class into 3 classes, and called them all "Power for Abundant Living." Snowball Pete, apparently, was NOT, but he was only mentioned ONCE in all 12 sessions.

He was a lazy plagiarist. This we KNOW. I suspect he came across this story, THEN twisted it to his ends, making it MORE callous, MORE fear-mongering.

Should I give it a little longer, or burn it and post another? You've all HEARD this song, but you may not remember the beginning.

Normally, I go to Google, put the name of the show in quotes, and the word "quotes" in quotes. Sometimes IMDb has a good list, sometimes wikiquote has a good list, sometimes someone else has a good list. Sometimes there's a few cheap lists, and I have to use them all. I can usually remember one or two good ones, also. In this case, almost NO good quotes were around, and I had to rely on raw memory for quotes. Remember, I can still quote stuff from the taped pfal class, and I didn't sit thru that after 1990. So, a few scenes that cracked me up are not impossible. (Jim's bar, Phil's named food dishes, Murphy singing and getting scared when she saw Eldon...)

Can we use this thread to discuss all the little stories that vpw told in pfal as completely true?

Thanks for reminding me that vpw was so callous, he could turn compassion into something disgusting. Let's say YOU were the minister, and you knew a mother, and a child, and had watched the child grow up. You weren't there 24/7 in the child's life, but you were aware as events unfolded, and you both got to know each other as people, and interacted regularly, even if it was only a moment here and there. Then, one day, you learn this child was struck dead by a vehicle. Do you agree to deliver the sermon at this child's funeral? If you have a heart like a normal human you do. When you do that sermon, do you attempt to say something comforting to the parents, the rest of the family, the friends? If you have a heart like a normal human you do. (Some of us DIDN'T have a heart like a normal human- and used such situations to teach the hurt, mourning people "The Truth Of The Word". We know better now, and we're very sorry.) So, when you do that sermon, and you say something meant to comfort the family, you might be less than 100% perfect on doctrine. However, if you're 100% perfect on compassion, nobody in the room is going to care. Thus, most people wouldn't greatly object to something like "Your child's suffering has ended. He has entered into the personal presence of God Almighty. Jesus Himself has dried his tears, and shown him how to smile again. Now, he can play whenever he wants, and the loving presence of God is before him always. Someday you will be reunited with your child, and then, after Jesus has wiped away your tears, you can share with him all the things you've done since then, and he can share with you all the things he has done since then." (Yes, I just came up with that now. I asked my heart what I would say if I believed the standard doctrine, and was in the minister's position.) Somewhere in there, the minister might indeed say something like "Now your precious rose petal is in heaven, with the Almighty God." MOST people, even those who believe in "soul sleep" and so on, would basically see this as compassionate, and decide to "get over themselves" rather than issue a minority opinion at the funeral. MOST people have a sense of perspective, and a sense of tact. As we all know, people in twi never considered themselves "MOST people." ========= Here's what the minister (in the imaginary story, where vpw got to write the minister's script) said. "God now had another rose petal in heaven." After announcing that was what the minister (in the imaginary story, where vpw got to write the minister's script) said, here is vpw's own interpretation of that EXACT SAME SENTENCE: "God killed that little boy because He wanted another rose petal in heaven." Do those sentences carry the same meaning? NOT AT ALL. The first one claims the child is in heaven with God. The second one claims the child is in heaven with God BECAUSE GOD KILLED HIM TO BRING HIM THERE. vpw claimed that this is what the sentence meant, however. And changed the sentence RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. And we agreed, and taught it that way. And SOME of us STILL BELIEVE IT, even when we can read it NOW and see that vpw changed the meaning from something compassionate to something vile and offensive. Oh, my God, when are we going to learn something?

Exodus 18:21 Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens: Psalm 66:16 Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will declare what he hath done for my soul. Ecclesiastes 8:12 Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him: Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. Acts 13:16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience. 1 Peter 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king. Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Psalm 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. Psalm 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever. Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. Proverbs 14:26 In the fear of the LORD is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge. Proverbs 14:27 The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death. Acts 9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied. ======== Thank you for playing. have a nice day. Jesus loves you.

Hey, Neo! If you'd come in to twi, charging in and raising your voice to object to what was said, vpw HIMSELF would have had you given the "bum's rush" out of the campus, possibly having you BODILY thrown out. Instead, you did it at the GSC. There was lots of disagreement, and you were still free to speak. Does that strike you as something noteworthy? Does that tell you something? Might a closer look be warranted?

*thinks* Star Trek: the Next Generation, for sure. *thinks some more* *snaps fingers mentally* This is "First Contact", right? The badly-lit episode that is from the perspective of the people on the planet, and not the usual gang, right? (I know I used poor grammar. I didn't care.)