WordWolf

This was worth repeating.

Most of me was parallel to the fridge, but my arms were perpendicular to it. (That's how I got the fixings out. I was following Step 2, "How to receive it.") Well, I know I got GOOD cheeses and meats. The mustard WAS the BEST. Sadly, I wasted too much of my appetite on GOOD fixings rather than God's BEST. *hangs head* The drapes only look red if I'm really, really hung over. But if I get hung over, be certain it was on only the BEST alcoholic beverages that were available.

Here's the entire "red drapes" story. It's not in the book, but it's in the class. Here's the exact wording.... ====================== "Another promise in the Epistle of I John! Way in the back of your Bible! I John! The Epistle of I John! First! Second! Third John! I John 5:14: And this is the confidence [this is the confidence] that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, [if we ask any thing according to his will] he heareth us: Isn't that wonderful? If we have our need and our want parallel we ask anything according to His will; how can it be His Will if we don't know His Word? His Word is His Will that gets our need and our want parallel. If we know His Word we can parallel it off. And once we get our need and want parallel, whatsoever we ask, we get. Many years ago when I was first questing in the integrity and accuracy of God's Word and doing Biblical research, just starting in the field, there were some things in the Word of God that we believed and that we understood and were practicing in our prayer life. And we were really concerned about learning more about God's Word. We had a letter from one of our radio audience from Cincinnati. And this good lady stipulated in that letter stating the following: she said, "now on Thursday night when you have your prayer group meeting and you meet with your people; I'd like for you to pray for an apartment for me. Because I have to find this apartment and I would like for this apartment to be within walking distance, two or three blocks from where I am employed." And she said, "It has to be a furnished apartment because I do not have my own furniture," and she said, "while your praying for this apartment within this area of where I am gainfully employed will you please ask God that in this furnished apartment there will be red drapes on the living room windows." My, oh my. That shook me. I thought to myself well good lord, if I'm going to pray for her for an apartment and she gets that apartment she ought to be thankful. What difference does if make if its got pink drapes or yellow drapes or orange drapes on the living room window? But she had stipulated in her letter please pray that there be red drapes on the window. Well I don't know who did the believing, I helped in the praying but I want to tell you something that night spiritually I hadn't gone this far; I believed for the apartment this I could believe for, it was a need I understood this. So I believed that she'd have an apartment but I can't imagine and I know that I did not believe anything about drapes at all. But we prayed that evening and within fifteen minutes of the time when we had prayed for this situation this lady in Cincinnati many, many, many miles away had a telephone call from an entire stranger who said to her "a friend of yours told me that you have need of an apartment, is this right?" And she said, "yes." And she said, "well where's it located?" He said, "well such and such a place." Within two blocks of where she was employed. So she said to him, "May I come and see it in the morning?" He said, "You certainly may." They made an appointment. She went next morning and looked at this apartment. And when she walked into the living room what do you think the color of those drapes were on those living room windows? Green, oh no they weren't. They were fire engine red. That's right. People, she must have had her need and her want parallel. Look at this. All right! She rented a furnished apartment and it had to have drapes on the window, right? Does it make God any difference whether the drapes are green or red or pink? No, but she had a need, that need was that they might as well have red drapes on, that's what she wanted. She got her need and her want parallel. She not only got that apartment but she got the red drapes on the windows. You talk about the accuracy of God's Word when He said He'll supply all of our need according to His riches in glory. Doesn't say He'll supply our greed but He'll supply our need according to His riches in glory. That's true. It's wonderful." *** ================================= Why didn't it make the books? Well, as you can see, it makes no sense, and doesn't support the claim it claims to support. My favorite line? "She had a need, that need was THAT THEY MIGHT AS WELL have red drapes on, that's what she WANTED." Seems some of us don't even understand what a "need" is. And if it was in black and white, it would be too easy to see that this does not make sense.

From the thread "Craig and VP's relationship"....

The syllabus for Session 1, question 2: "To receive ANYTHING from God, what FIVE things must we know?" (Emphasis mine.) The study guide for Session 1, page 1: "To receive anything from God we must know: 1) What is available (verses) 2) How to Receive 3) What to do with it after we have it. 4) Need and Want must be parallel (verses) 5) God's Ability equals God's Willingness (verses) The Orange Book doesn't support WTH's claim either. I don't know what he's quoting VERBATIM, but it's not any book I have here. It's clearly a 5-step formula in BOTH Session I's syllabus and Study Guide. vpw never demoted the last 2 steps into "possible hindrances", footnotes, or codicils. vpw HIMSELF made the 5-step formula, and numbered the steps 1-5. I don't see how a logical approach can say otherwise.As for wanting "mathematical exactness and scientific precision", those were vpw's own words, his own claims. None of US certainly added them. WTH, I, for one, will NEVER accuse you of trying to be smart and intelligent about the things of God. I will back this claim of yours up to the hilt. So far, the only people I've seen confuse the number 5 for the number 3 are: WTH, and King Arthur from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail."

How to receive a sandwich from the kitchen. 1) What's available. Meats, cheeses, bread, and spreads in the refrigerator. 2) How to receive it. Go to refrigerator, assemble the ingredients into a sandwich. 3) What to do with it after you got it. Eat sandwich while humming the tune "Honkytonk Woman" by the Rolling Stones. These were supposed to teach me something?

*looks it up* That's the song. And Elvis DID sing it. With any song, any singer/band who did the song counts. (General rule of airplay, of course applies. If we can't prove they did it, you might be making it up.) I think the weirdest correct answer was one of mine, when I identified the performer of "Chubby Clementine" as DANNY AIELLO- since he sang it for his "monologue" slot hosting Saturday Night Live. Hey, it was a national broadcast, and you CAN look up what he did.... and he's the only one I've actually heard sing it... So, your turn, dooj!

"Out of the tree of life, I just picked me a plum You came along and everything started to hum Still it’s a real good bet, the best is yet to come The best is yet to come, and babe won’t that be fine You think you’ve seen the sun, but you ain’t seen it shine" "Looking good, as usual, dollface." "I'm glad you like what you see." "I only wish I could see more." "They say good things come to those who wait." "Who are 'they' and how much of you have they seen?" "I never kiss and tell." "I bet you don't." "Tonight everyone's a winner."

CORRECT! And I thought it was a great line. Your turn.

Just an observation of my own. Back in high school, exactly ONE of the entire teaching staff (when I went there) insisted on their Ph.d title. Almost all, if not all, of the teachers had Ph.d's. It didn't even come up until the last semester of my Senior year. I learned a lot there. Some of what I learned was in the planned lessons.

"A Society gentleman would only go out with you for one reason: to have a good time, a few laughs, and a little vo-deo-doh-doh." "I don't vo-deo-doh-doh!" "You vo-deo-doh-doh." "I don't vo-deo-doh-doh! "You vo-deo." "Once. I was going steady a whole year. I have a spotless reputation." "If, in heaven, we don't meet- hand-in-hand, we'll bear the heat. And if it ever gets too hot, Pepsi-Cola hits the spot!" "I am going to mold you. How does that make you feel?" "Like old bread."

It's not the DS9 series finale. And who said it was Vic Fontaine singing it?

I had one episode in mind, but I'm inspired to do this one instead.... "Out of the tree of life, I just picked me a plum You came along and everything started to hum Still it’s a real good bet, the best is yet to come The best is yet to come, and babe won’t that be fine You think you’ve seen the sun, but you ain’t seen it shine"

No, I got it fair and square. And I THINK I can come up with one.

No, it's "Teenage Wasteland." Yes, the technical name of the song IS "Baba O'Reilly." But they should have CALLED it "Teenage Wasteland." (Raf and I used to fun with this subject. "The song's titled 'Baba O'Reilly.' " "Ok, and the REAL name?" "'Teenage Wasteland.' " "Right-I've heard that song.") Since I forgot to mention the previous artist, "the Best is Yet to Come" was done by Frank Sinatra, among others. ======== YOUR turn, dooj!

"Out here in the fields I fight for my meals"

Here's the whole song, for those of you who thought I picked something too unknown.... "Out of the tree of life I just picked me a plum You came along and everything's startin' to hum Still, it's a real good bet, the best is yet to come Best is yet to come and babe, won't that be fine? You think you've seen the sun, but you ain't seen it shine Wait till the warm-up's underway. Wait till our lips have met And wait till you see that sunshine day. You ain't seen nothin' yet The best is yet to come and babe, won't it be fine? Best is yet to come, come the day you're mine Come the day you're mine I'm gonna teach you to fly We've only tasted the wine We're gonna drain the cup dry Wait till your charms are right for these arms to surround You think you've flown before, but baby, you ain't left the ground a-Wait till you're locked in my embrace Wait till I draw you near a-Wait till you see that sunshine place Ain't nothin' like it here The best is yet to come and babe, won't it be fine? The best is yet to come, come the day you're mine Come the day you're mine And you're gonna be mine"

The last one was a "smoking gun" for me. It's "Cheers." You could have waited a little, spaced the quotes apart over more than a 12-hour period, you know, give a few more people a chance to log on and take a guess. That's just me, but I like to give "a sporting chance"....

But where did JAL get it from? Knowing this bunch, from vpw, who got it from Peale. However, we don't- YET- have a quote from Peale saying it to document this, so, it is speculation, guesswork, at the moment.

THOSE names were all RIGHT out of BG Leonard's class "Gifts of the Spirit". Henry Belloco, Maggie Muggins and Johnny Jumpup were all in the class that vpw took in 1953, and then-a few months later- retaught entirely, telling the students it was HIS class "Receiving the Holy Spirit Today." He told Leonard he was teaching Leonard's class on a one-time basis, but-as we know-he continued to teach Leonard's class. He added Bullinger's "How to Enjoy the Bible" and Stiles" "Gift of the Holy Spirit" book, split one class into 3 classes, and called them all "Power for Abundant Living." Snowball Pete, apparently, was NOT, but he was only mentioned ONCE in all 12 sessions.

He was a lazy plagiarist. This we KNOW. I suspect he came across this story, THEN twisted it to his ends, making it MORE callous, MORE fear-mongering.

Should I give it a little longer, or burn it and post another? You've all HEARD this song, but you may not remember the beginning.

Normally, I go to Google, put the name of the show in quotes, and the word "quotes" in quotes. Sometimes IMDb has a good list, sometimes wikiquote has a good list, sometimes someone else has a good list. Sometimes there's a few cheap lists, and I have to use them all. I can usually remember one or two good ones, also. In this case, almost NO good quotes were around, and I had to rely on raw memory for quotes. Remember, I can still quote stuff from the taped pfal class, and I didn't sit thru that after 1990. So, a few scenes that cracked me up are not impossible. (Jim's bar, Phil's named food dishes, Murphy singing and getting scared when she saw Eldon...)

Can we use this thread to discuss all the little stories that vpw told in pfal as completely true?

Thanks for reminding me that vpw was so callous, he could turn compassion into something disgusting. Let's say YOU were the minister, and you knew a mother, and a child, and had watched the child grow up. You weren't there 24/7 in the child's life, but you were aware as events unfolded, and you both got to know each other as people, and interacted regularly, even if it was only a moment here and there. Then, one day, you learn this child was struck dead by a vehicle. Do you agree to deliver the sermon at this child's funeral? If you have a heart like a normal human you do. When you do that sermon, do you attempt to say something comforting to the parents, the rest of the family, the friends? If you have a heart like a normal human you do. (Some of us DIDN'T have a heart like a normal human- and used such situations to teach the hurt, mourning people "The Truth Of The Word". We know better now, and we're very sorry.) So, when you do that sermon, and you say something meant to comfort the family, you might be less than 100% perfect on doctrine. However, if you're 100% perfect on compassion, nobody in the room is going to care. Thus, most people wouldn't greatly object to something like "Your child's suffering has ended. He has entered into the personal presence of God Almighty. Jesus Himself has dried his tears, and shown him how to smile again. Now, he can play whenever he wants, and the loving presence of God is before him always. Someday you will be reunited with your child, and then, after Jesus has wiped away your tears, you can share with him all the things you've done since then, and he can share with you all the things he has done since then." (Yes, I just came up with that now. I asked my heart what I would say if I believed the standard doctrine, and was in the minister's position.) Somewhere in there, the minister might indeed say something like "Now your precious rose petal is in heaven, with the Almighty God." MOST people, even those who believe in "soul sleep" and so on, would basically see this as compassionate, and decide to "get over themselves" rather than issue a minority opinion at the funeral. MOST people have a sense of perspective, and a sense of tact. As we all know, people in twi never considered themselves "MOST people." ========= Here's what the minister (in the imaginary story, where vpw got to write the minister's script) said. "God now had another rose petal in heaven." After announcing that was what the minister (in the imaginary story, where vpw got to write the minister's script) said, here is vpw's own interpretation of that EXACT SAME SENTENCE: "God killed that little boy because He wanted another rose petal in heaven." Do those sentences carry the same meaning? NOT AT ALL. The first one claims the child is in heaven with God. The second one claims the child is in heaven with God BECAUSE GOD KILLED HIM TO BRING HIM THERE. vpw claimed that this is what the sentence meant, however. And changed the sentence RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. And we agreed, and taught it that way. And SOME of us STILL BELIEVE IT, even when we can read it NOW and see that vpw changed the meaning from something compassionate to something vile and offensive. Oh, my God, when are we going to learn something?