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Hm. They told him he could do anything EXCEPT ONE, and that was his immediate UNYIELDING focus, and they had the nerve to be offended that he went 180 degrees from his instructions. (ANY church where tithing is taught on for an ENTIRE MONTH looks like it's ONLY in it for the money, and NOBODY will like it.) "They said not to teach on money, so I didn't-I taught on tithing." I'll bet he felt so clever, so pleased with himself for adhering-PARTLY- to the letter while perverting the spirit of his instructions. For those wondering if they were right to give him instructions, they were the ELDERS-the experienced local leaders, and he was the guy who JUST arrived and was young and lacking in experience. Unless he had a compelling reason beyond tweaking their noses, he should have considered their counsel wise and followed it. pg-185-186. vpw is continuing his tour.

Isn't one of the classic indications of a liar someone who embellishes and gives a lot more information than necessary to make a point?

This Dr. Lohman. Did he exist and if he did, did VP really say these things to him? Who would have been there who could have substantiated VP's claim when this was written? Probably no one and VP knew this and used it to his advantage if what I am suggesting is true. What did VP mean by 'kid's talk'? Did he mean that kids talk like 'I'm gonna be an astronaut, I'm gonna be a ballerina/vetenarian, I wanna be a bull rider, a cowboy'. Is that what he meant that kids say the darndest things? But I think it interesting that he speaks of it but almost in a 3rd person...completely removed as if it wasn't him saying the stuff, but perhaps someone else and he was just an observer that day he met this Dr. Lohman. That brings me to another question. Was there a Dr. Lohman and did this mission festival really happened in New Knoxville in or around about 1925? Hm, good point. I was thinking he was saying he was blowing smoke at the guy and sucking up. Looking at the overall picture, it seems he meant something else.. "I am the greatest man of God in 2000 years! When I was 9 or 10 was when we first saw signs of this! Then later came miraculous snowstorms and teachings I got straight from God that you can hear nowhere else!" All of this does not make me think of someone displaying any 'ministerial' tendencies. Even the townsfolk couldn't believe it. So this means that what he had said that day to Dr. Lohman as well as what VP's brother Harry recounts how he used to teach to the trees ... etc... well it sounds like VP kept his aspirations very hush hush to all those around him. Like he almost lived a 'dual' life. --> Right. In public, he was a kid who skipped all his chores, who became a teen who was an arrogant showoff and bully. Where no evidence exists (his mind), he was a devout kid who preached to trees and became some sort of star athlete.

I thought we'd previously discussed it, but I can't find any references to such a discussion, so... In reading this comment, I was reminded (again) of the story and movie, "the Secret Life of Walter Mitty"-a man who lives great adventures in his own mind as he goes about his normal life.

Psst! Pirate? Your turn.

I don't know. If it's a work pc, then it might be a program the job added that's basically a spy. If it is your own pc, then I recommend a few steps to make sure it's not a program you DON'T want. Do you have the following programs, and are they updated as of this past week? SpywareBlaster AdAware Spybot:Search and Destroy a reputable firewall a reputable antivirus all recent critical updates to Windows (especially Service Pack 2)? Have you run all these programs in the past day? If this is malware, these should sweep it clear.

BTW, what does "involved with" mean here? I mean one Greasespotter found the complete list of the team rosters of the Sheboygan Redskins, and his name wasn't there. Of course, "involved with" eventually became "played on" which became "I invented the hook shot"... Ok, here's some information on this Sheboygan Redskins thing. Someone found a PDF file online where someone put an anti-cult paper online. They said to google for "Sheboygan Redskins in the NBL". It's called "An Analysis of Some of the Cults..." and it's also up in RTT format. You can download it now yourselves-I just did. Now then, it has a comment that vpw played for the Sheboygan Redskins. No clarifications beyond what we read in THIS book. So, I scrolled to the Bibliography. Guess what? The source for this "confirmation" was THIS BOOK. In other words, this PDF book confirms what this book says-because it uses this book as the source. If I wrote a book saying I was an astronaut and flew in the Space Shuttle, and a website quoted my book and said I did, you can't use that website as "proof" that I was on the shuttle. So, that covers that PDF. As usual, an anti-cult book was written with sloppy research and using hearsay as "facts". ========= Posters have confirmed that vpw played basketball in high school. They even found a team pic with him on it-from high school. Then again, this means, at best, he was as good an athlete as ME- I was on a COLLEGE Varsity team for 2 years. Nobody ever questioned him playing High School basketball. ======= Pirate1974 posted the following. Pirate also posted a list of the names of the players for the entire run of the team, and speculated on who vpw MIGHT be. Based on reviewing the EXACT quote from this book, I think "involved in" might have meant "helped them warm up", "was the waterboy", etc. It's possible that vpw EITHER 1) Was BRILLIANT with aliases or 2) Lied to us a lot. Either explains why the Sheboygan Redskins don't have his name, and why Moody doesn't have his name although he supposedly took "ALL" their classes. BTW, "I played basketball all thru college" is not synonymous with "I played on my college's varsity basketball team" or even "I was on my college's varsity basketball team". If he showed up on a court and played a game of pick-up once a month, then he "played basketball all thru college". If he was on the Junior Varsity team (the second string team), then he "played basketball all thru college". People have seen pics of him on the HIGH SCHOOL team, but not his COLLEGE team. This is NOT a guarantee he was NOT on the team. However, given his tendency to plug his few LEGITIMATE accomplishments on great detail (Masters degree), for him to suddenly get COY about his basketball "career" in college, only to inflate it AFTER college (his "involvement" with a professional team) seems uncharacteristic and nonsensical. ============ BTW, I'd appreciate the inputs of the other people following along on this thread. That's one reason I posted the quotes BEFORE starting detailed discussion and analysis. I mean, I deeply appreciate the thanks, but I think we can all benefit from those who lived some of these...

For someone who can't remember the past, he sure could recall a lot of names, almost as if he wants to name-drop. Further, as someone found out, Moody has no record of vpw completing ANY of its classes, which is the indicator someone completed a class. Sounds like his claim of taking "all" their classes is just hot air. BTW, what does "involved with" mean here? I mean one Greasespotter found the complete list of the team rosters of the Sheboygan Redskins, and his name wasn't there. Of course, "involved with" eventually became "played on" which became "I invented the hook shot"... Don't forget, that's still one drink whenever something or someone is "the best"...

Sadly, this is hardly a surprise, either. They don't know how to NOT be controlling.

Other than Annie, nothing she did was as recognizable as "Traxx". Not even to the families of the cast.

What he said! Actually, since it appears tithing was specifically to the High Priest in Jerusalem, and this guy isnt him, I'm not that eager in that department...

Yet another thing vpw supposedly excelled at, which we NEVER saw any evidence of. We know he was obsessed with music-his ministries all seemed to circle around it-until he got ahold of Leonard's work. pg-174. Harry thinks you were preaching to the trees when you went off for hours and neglected your chores. Since you had no plans to go into the ministry at the time, it's obvious you weren't preaching... Being a medical doctor or a lawyer is a LOT of work, and has MUCH professional oversight. Just a thought. Comments, people?

My question is more like: And if these classes don't run, is God completely SOL? If he isn't, why talk like the ALMIGHTY GOD is completely dependant on YOU? In other words, vpw saw this minister, had NO intention of becoming a minister, looked him in the eye, and said "I want to be a minister just like you." That was at age 8 or 9. When I was 8, if I looked in the eye of a minister, I wouldn't even have THOUGHT of lying to him. If I looked in the of a teacher, I wouldn't have lied to him or her. The same applies to age 9. "You know how kids talk." Um, they LIE? Not me when I was growing up. I'd be SHOCKED if I was the ONLY one who told the truth to authority figures, especially one representing God Almighty. I didn't even have to be TOLD the difference, either. So, his early recollections include him lying to suck up to authority figures. Interesting.

Congratulations! You posted an actress with ONE known movie on her resume! (I checked. She was in 2 more movies NOBODY saw.) You have successfully stalled the thread! Now then, we have a few choices here. You can post a new post proceeding from Raf's last post with an actor or actress who's been in a few movies ending it, or one of us can pretend you never posted and post that new post, or we can give you a dirty look and start a new chain. I figure it's fair to give you first shot at how we proceed.

Hm. Is that "Sugar, Sugar" by the Archies?

pg-155. Um, that didn't answer his question.... Anyone who can untangle this sentence of vpw from pg-170, please do so.. So he remembers it forever until he's done with it, then he forgets it. page 171-172, vpw shares an early childhood memory. Folks?

*nudges Tom* Your turn, Tom.

Exceptin' Alice[/], of course. :D-->

The Christadelphians are another group of Christians. I mainly know their name because, apparently, they base a lot of their beliefs on their understanding of the Bible, and they're not Trinitarians. Here's a quick link on them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christadelphians They have their own websites, as do their critics. ==== irisheyes, you know, you can go and deal with things as you need to, then come back. We'll be here.

And here's my uninterrupted "trans-a-lation" all together.

Ok. Given that this story is not "vetted", I'm going to take this and, in the attempt to be fair, reduce its claims by 50%. I'm expecting that some claims are exaggerated. So, here's my "trans-a-lation"... Trans-a-lation: When in high school, vpw was a bully, a physical showoff, and a braggart. He did all sorts of things for attention. He was quick to start a fight or mouth off at others. He had a quick wit. Trans-a-lation: One of his common ways of showing off was to tear up and down the streets of New Knoxville on his motorcycle, trying to get attention. Trans-a-lation: When he entered the seminary, everyone thought it was a joke, since he was completely lacking in the proper character-it was common knowledge. He never overcame the impression he had built over years in that area. Trans-a-lation: From the time he took over his first pastorate, he wasted little time in being a control freak and bully AGAIN. I consider this an irrelevant comment, but you may disagree. I include it in the interest of completeness, like the book quotes. Trans-a-lation: He did his best to maintain a high degree of control over his pastorate. Trans-a-lation: vpw had a mad-on for what he considered Catholic traditions and pagan introduced-practices that he never let people just enjoy a normal holiday like all the other Christians. Trans-a-lation: Through the early 1950's, his conduct and behaviour improved a lot. It was uncharacteristic of the person he showed himself to be earlier. Trans-a-lation: He was a difficult husband to his wife. I'm amazed she put up with him, with the way he behaved. Trans-a-lation: This improvement in his behaviour didn't improve his vocabulary in all the important ways. He still chose to introduce sexual concepts in SNS teachings, which even his fans admit wasn't a good thing. Trans-a-lation: Uncle Harry helped moderate vpw's extreme style and policies. Uncle Harry let people celebrate Christmas even though vpw was specifically against it.

I'm interrupting this thread with a crosspost from the Archives because it is relevant to the discussion inasmuch as there's an attempt to piece together vpw's personal history, especially as it relates to twi. All of this is from one post, with a few irrelevant digressions snipped out. And I fixed some punctuation. You can dig up the originals if you distrust me on that. (You'll have plenty of keywords for your search.)

What prompted this degree of candor, Mike? You used to go out of your way to avoid saying this outright, and accuse us of misrepresenting you when we said this was your position? I'm curious.

Now that just has little or nothing to do with the doctrine of the Trinity. It doesn't relate SPECIFICALLY to that one doctrine, and I never said it DID. The question I was answering was "Who's to assume that 'the leadership' that ultimately determined 'who Christ was' in their doctrinal conception was correct-while all others who did not march in step with their scope of opinion-'heresies'? Constantine pushed for a single unified doctrine in order to have a political base. Under Constantine, minority opinions-including Jews-faced the first step of many that led to death or marginalization. If twi taught THAT, I didn't hear it. I was reading "Constantine's Sword" earlier this year. If twi happened to get a detail correct here or there, then they did.