WordWolf

Well since I'm posting them now, I recommend the sleep so I can post them in SUCCESSION....

pg-227.

If 'Calling him every night' wasn't enough..then she visited him every weekend ... wowza That's quite the committed individual to Wierwille. What kind of life did she have? Actually, I have a followup question for you.... Take a woman this obsessed with vpw- called EVERY night, visited town EVERY weekend- add that she "rid him of his hang-ups" about the human body, and I ask you, WHAT happened between them when doors were shut?

Actually, in the Doctrinal forum, we've discussed Covenant theology verses Dispensationalism before. I've found both sides made some good points. If you guys want to cover it again, feel free.

What is that, WW? Well, sometimes a program will crash badly and eat itself or other programs. Sometimes you hit the wrong key and "save" and reset your entire pc so the screen is upside-down or something. That's when a System Restore comes in handy. I presume it works roughly the same in 98 as it does in XP. Periodically (or when you tell it to), the pc will take a sort of "snapshot" of settings and vital functions. That way, if you damage something, you have the option of going back to a System Restore Point and restoring functions the way they were at that time. Whenever you're about to install a new program you're unsure of, it's a GREAT idea to set a System Restore point first. That way, if it makes a small crash, you can reset your controls. You can determine how much space your machine uses for System Restores. When it reaches the limit, the next one will push out the oldest restore to make space for the new one. You can also delete all but the most recent when you're doing a Disc Cleanup (if XP is anything to go by). Once you've really cleaned house, it's a good idea to make a new Restore point, then erase all but the most recent. That will prevent you from accidentally restoring viruses or spyware or whatever. BTW, http://www.grc.com has some handy free programs. I'm not sure if they work with 98, but they'll be labelled either way.

I'd agree in part. If your finances are tight, this isn't a vital expense- unless you depend on this machine for work. If you can afford to get an XP machine, I expect that, if you shop around, you can get a basic package for under $500 (I check prices all the time, and I see some good machines in the $400s all the time.) More memory is cheaper than a new machine, true. The speed of the machine is more a function of the microprocessor speed, however. That determines how fast it "thinks". My machine is not top-of-the-line, but its speed is enough that I can run, say AdAware while doing something else and split the speed in 1/2 without losing much performance speed. (It's good for multitasking.) Win98 PCs can't do that.

No need. Run a defrag and a scandisk every 2 months or so. The other stuff, yes, run every 2-3 days at the least (Spybot, AdAware, antivirus.) The firewall and SpywareBlaster don't have to be "run", and the main usages of the antivirus and Spybot's "immunization" feature don't have to be "run" either-they act like SpywareBlaster. And, yes, if you're OVERDUE to do all that, it takes 2 full days. :)--> Once you're caught up, it doesn't.

pg-220, some more history. April to July of 1961, they had a class in April, running to July. Then Pillai ran a class on Orientalisms, then they ran an Advanced class. (pg-221) Summer camps run in Wisconsin in 1959, Indiana in 1960, and Miamisburg, Ohio in 1961.

pg-217 into 218, vpw now catches up to UH's account, in 1957. Um, he had already left his organization with 10 people. Who was on this Board of Directors, and what was there to "direct"? Sounds like his story runs aground here.

vpw was expounding on his trip to India. He said Bishop K.C. Pillai invited them to India in 1955. pg-215. First one in history???? How about that. pg-216. pg-217. My, THAT attitude certainly changed...if this account was true, of course. He made it a hobby to attack denominations whenever he could.

I left you some advice on free programs you should be using on the other thread. However, I want to mention a few OTHER steps you should be doing. A) Go to Windows once a month and download any updates for Windows 98. (I think they stopped making them, but I may be wrong. Plus, you should get all the updates they DID make.) B) Run a disk cleanup. Programs-> Accessories-> System Tools-> Disk Cleanup. C) Run a defrag. Programs-> Accessories-> System Tools-> Disk Defragmenter. D) Run a Scandisk. I think that Windows 98 has it in the same "System Tools" menu. (XP moved it so that you have to hunt all over the PC for it.) E) Make a new "System Restore" point and delete all the old ones. ====== If you run all of those, plus all the programs I mentioned before, you may experience RADICAL improvements in pc performance. One person said it was like they had a new pc. :)--> Yes, doing ALL of this will take a bit of time, but it's time well-spent, and NONE of it can actually HARM your pc.

I'm reasonably certain I do. However, I need to know WHICH Microsoft information window it is. What does it say in it? =========== Meanwhile, it's possible you're dealing with spyware. Therefore, I highly recommend you make sure you have updated versions of each of the following: a software firewall (the Windows one does NOT count) an antivirus program AdAware Spybot:Search and Destroy SpywareBlaster And have RUN them all. (AFTER updating them and confirming they're all up-to-date.) If there's any of these you lack, speak up-they are all free or have free versions available which work FINE. (I haven't had any complaints with them.) If you wonder how good your "security" is WITHOUT them, go to http://www.grc.com and run the "Shields Up" program. It will simulate hacker actions and give you a graded and explained result. (For my computer, it says something like "not only can we not get in, we can't confirm there's a computer on your end" which is about as good as I can hope for in security.)

Well, it wasn't exactly on topic for this thread (at least until we discuss the exact quote), but you brought it up..... ===== Could God make it snow for any of us? I believe all the Christians here will say "yes". (I'm supposing that you mean the "snow on the pumps". The Tulsa snow job was confirmed to be a untruth in great detail.) There's several sub-issues here. Was this supposedly REAL snow, or a VISION of snow? All indications SEEM to be that it's supposed to be REAL snow. If it WAS, then it arrived in exactly ONE spot, with some of it instantly on the ground, and some of it heavy in the air. It then VANISHED. Could God do that? Well, yes. Whether you think God would go thru all that trouble when a VISION would work as well is a matter of opinion. If it was a VISION, then this goes back to the original question- which it would anyway. The supposed snow was to confirm that God would teach vpw God's Word like it had not been known since the 1st century, if vpw would teach it to others. The teachings and practices vpw taught and instituted bear NO resemblance to the 1st century church. They decentralized authority-he concentrated it in one person-himself. They spread out the money where there was need-vpw concentrated it at hq, where it STAYED. Their leaders led austere lives, Paul working a secular job at one point. vpw piled up luxuries for himself of nearly every kind. Their emphasis was on spiritual basics. vpw emphasized intellectual study. They had signs, miracles and wonders as day-to-day events. vpw-well, I suppose he saw a FEW here and there. Furthermore, "The Word like it hadn't been known since the 1st century" is a FICTION. In the 1st century, they had the Old Testament (the Torah), and a few of the letters where they could be found. It sounds like such a neat slogan, though..... Finally, although vpw taught others, EVERYTHING he taught (95% at the bare minimum) can be traced DIRECTLY to the work of ANOTHER Christian which was ALREADY in effect at the time. pfal was an cut-and-paste of the work (primarily) BG Leonard- whose class vpw copied over word-for-word originally, and thus it was known to all students of BG Leonard before vpw came around- (secondarily) EW Bullinger-whose books had been around for perhaps half-a-century before vpw heard of him, thus it was known to all his readers- (tertially) JE Stiles-whose work and book on the holy spirit were ALSO in effect long before, and whose book "Gifts of the Holy Spirit" was copied over almost word-for-word into the 1st edition of the White Book. Thus, the only things that had not "been known" before vpw ripped off the works of others was a handful of names-"manifestation","administration"-if those weren't a direct ripoff of someone else as well. Thus, the entire 1942 promise completely failed to come to pass. vpw taught others, but at no point did he teach them "God's Word as it has not been known since the 1st century" (for all the reasons I just gave.) Since God does not fail His promises, the logical conclusion is that this was NOT a promise of God. According to Scripture, if a man claims to speak in the name of the LORD and what he says does NOT come to pass, then he is a FALSE PROPHET. The only question then remaining is: Did vpw invent this 1942 promise? or did vpw receive a vision from a source other than the True God? The possibility of him actually receiving this as revelation from God, as you see, is excluded based on its phrasing and its results. Given that BG Leonard wrote something similar, vpw read his book, and, some years later began making this promise, it is most likely that vpw intentionally made it up based on BG Leonard's writings. ======= Knowing all this, you of course may STILL believe God made it snow for him. However, all the evidence argues AGAINST it. Just as Sarah did not exercise "blind faith", but rather "judged Him faithful who had promised" (aka GOD), most of us will choose to "exercise our senses to discern good and evil" and say this is so unlikely based on a MOUNTAIN of evidence, that it's not even worth considering once it's been exposed.

pg-210, 211, he speaks about Dr E.E. Higgins. She's the one who would call him up every night, asking what God taught him that day. How many people see that little comment as a dire warning, given 20/20 hindsight?

Let's see, where were we... pg-209, vpw on the genesis of the White Book. 1954. pg-210

Of course, some people will deny undue influence as significant so long as no physical means was used. The law of the US doesn't see it their way however. Supreme Court Justice Brennan (joined by Justice Marshall) wrote: 1988. Now, the courts are as neutral a 3rd party as one could find. If THEY say that's an effective method of control without a gun, then it should be obvious that it is so.

This, to me, seemed to be the honest appraisal of his own religion. He worships himself. The rest was an elaborate rationalization to justify worshipping himself. (IMHO) Now, the difference between LaVey and vpw was... Good grief! It IS the same thing! Worshipped himself and rationalized it away. Actually, LaVey's system allowed him to get his, and you to get yours. vpw's system allowed him to get his at the expense of you not getting yours. Therefore, vpw's system was LESS HUMANE THAN THE SATANIST SYSTEM. Amazing.

I'll bet you're right, Pirate... *snicker*

There's a story going around, and it was referred to by someone on that concert on NBC. Here's the WHOLE story: http://www.snopes.com/photos/katrina/looters.asp Please look it over when you get a chance. Thanks.

Should be Go to your Start menu select RUN type MSCONFIG find the program-in this case, MSN Messenger select "manual" save

I can see George Orwell and the John Birch Society in there. I don't see LaVey. (But I might be wrong-enlighten me.) Funny Machiavelli was mentioned. I just finished reading "the Prince" and thinking about parallels and so on. I read something that specifically reminded me of the relationship between vpw and lcm. Chapter 22, "Of the ministers of princes," paragraph 4 to the end.

Frankly, I question the assertion that they view twi thru their own experience. They filter their own experience so heavily that it would be more accurate to say "they view twi through how they wish to remember it". Frankly, if Oldies was sitting on one end of a couch, and vpw was on the other end drugging and raping some chick, I'd expect him to put a spin on THAT, not stop it from happening, and deny it happened the way it unfolded before his very eyes.

CM found this link... http://www.herbertwarmstrong.com/nobody_held_a_gun.htm

Actually, it was something he said on the board, it was this... So, unless it was something in chat or elsewhere, he said he himself sent something that was screened, not that he was a screener.

It occurs to me that when these SAME women say that all of thiswasn't true, that they didn't want to have abortions and were pressured to conform until they did (no physical gun, but much social stigma) or that given the choice, they wanted to have the child but "leadership" insisted they not, or that they thought abortion was WRONG no matter what the official doctrine was, and they ONLY did it because someone was putting the squeeze on them, it occurs to me that you'd prefer to maintain your original POV rather than actually increase in understanding. Back then, they were actively pressured to do so, some freaked out when they agreed under coercion, and some "leaders" were assigned as "exit counselors" to get them to silence their consciences when they KNEW something wasn't right. That was then. Seems that for some of us, that's hardly "easy". vpw rapes someone. That's evil. Some of us can't easily call it that. No, it was meant to serve vpw under the cover of being agodly program. Was SOME good wrought? Sure. Was some BAD wrought? Sure. Its motives were impure from its inception, which tainted the reaults. The execution certainly was impure, which is why we're having this discussion.